So earth is going to end on Wednesday...

[Kev]

When this puppy gets turned on:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html


Warning to dialup users, there are some large photos in there and could take a while. But damn. it looks cool.



Oh and probably not cool if you're not into science type of stuff (I'm not, but found it interesting)

[Kacky]

Phhhh. Right.

Bullshit.

[|<3|]

It probably won't kill us, don't worry!

[Neo]

are they insane? that thing gives me the heeby jeebies! It's that big, even the smallest mistake could go unnoticed. that would make for a great movie of video game though :p it's so damn cool though I have to admit.

[Aaron]

That thing's awesome. The particle beam it creates zooms round and round the ring, being used for experiments. When they're done witht he beam, it gets 'emptied' into a block of graphite 18m long or something, and raises its temperature by a few hundred degrees. If they'd used copper, it would have bored a hole 40m deep in a microsecond.

But the stupid fears associated with it aren't that it'll go wrong, but that it'll go right. It could theoretically create mini black holes (which will evaporate) but some folks think believe will destroy the planet.

[Neo]

but what if the black holes don't evaporate? what if they get bigger and bigger and bigger and suck us all in!! :eek:

[Aaron]

I dunno, we all die? But I trust that the folks who are smart enough to build it aren't dumb enough to have no clue what'll happen when they start running it.

[Kev]

I have no worries about it.

I would like to have a look at it first person.

Oh and it gets switched on this Wednesday! Woooo!

[Strider]

I think the power the mini black hole would generate is equivalent to a mosquito hitting into a window. So I don't think we have much to worry bout. That structure looks absolutely awesome, so futurist looking!

[Neo]

I trust that the folks who are smart enough to build it aren't dumb enough to have no clue what'll happen when they start running it.
we are human but, we don't know absolutely everything that's why this is happening in the first place. they aren't dumb enough to have NO clue but they aren't smart enough to have every clue on what will happen. I think we can't even imagine some of the possibilities that could happen. I just hope that we get lucky and everything ends up ok :p

[Habibster]

Wow. That thing looks unreal. :eek:

[Matt]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14923900/

For the scared...

[Matt]

http://largehardoncollider.com/

For the dying start...

[Habibster]

haha i like how in the first one they don't deny that the earth isn't going to end, they just say that the chances of it happening are 'totally miniscule' :p

[Neo]

which means there still is a chance! I hate it when they mislead people like that

[Matt]

haha i like how in the first one they don't deny that the earth isn't going to end, they just say that the chances of it happening are 'totally miniscule' :p

which means there still is a chance! I hate it when they mislead people like that

Did you guys actually read it?

CERN spokesman and former research physicist James Gillies also pointed out that Earth is bathed with cosmic rays powerful enough to create black holes all the time, and the planet hasn't been destroyed yet.

There'd would still be the same likelihood of a black hole being randomly created, even without the hard-on accelerator :rolleyes:

[Aaron]

There's a chance that you may spontaneously turn into a cat. It's small, but finite. Don't deny there isn't a chance!

...See how ridiculous that is? Don't beat it up. There's 'small', like a chihuaha is small, and there's 'small' like one atom in the whole universe. This is the latter.

Plus what Matt pointed out. I hate it when people read one article (or half-read it, or read a bad article, or whatever) and think they've discovered something that people who have spent their whole lives working with have missed. In cases like this, the reality of the situation is so complex that the average Joe has no accurate comprehension of what's going on. Accept that other people know their shit better than you.

[Sarah]

looks cool.

might leave the studying til Thursday just in case :p

[Kev]

On one hand, it would be cool if earth came to a sudden halt. But then again it wouldn't be cool.

[Deadcat Kaye]

yeah it looks cool, yeah it's supposedly harmless.

But I still don't like, and never will like people fucking around with things they really shouldn't.

I dunno about you guys, but I like my life atm, and keeping it the same sounds pretty damn dandy to me

[Colezy]

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is it supposed to do? :p

I'm into science-y kinda stuff, just not this kinda science-y stuff haha

[Kacky]

Phhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Colezy]

And that means?? :p

[Kacky]

Nothing much, rly.

[Kev]

To smash protons moving at 99.999999% of the speed of light into each other and so recreate conditions a fraction of a second after the big bang. The LHC experiments try and work out what happened.

http://lhc-machine-outreach.web.cern.ch/lhc-machine-outreach/

[Colezy]

Thank you Kev :)

I like the Biology/life sciences kind of science!

[Neo]

i wasn't too good at biology :p chemistry was my shit :cool: and I like physics too but i wasn't able to do it at school because it clashed with another subject. hah

[Craigels]

http://largehardoncollider.com/

For the dying start...

That satisfied my childish self for a long time...

[Sarah]

on the topic of big, don't know if its gonna work or not, technology stuff, anyone watch James May's show on space last night. It was pretty interesting.

[Kev]

on the topic of big, don't know if its gonna work or not, technology stuff, anyone watch James May's show on space last night. It was pretty interesting.


Damn it. I knew I forgot to watch something

[Sarah]

oh, well it was good! :p

[May]

I, too, forgot to watch it. Dagnabbit!

[Big J.G]

Even though there are theories this can possibly eat up the world from the inside. I believe that its all phony balony.

[Big J.G]

we are human but, we don't know absolutely everything that's why this is happening in the first place. they aren't dumb enough to have NO clue but they aren't smart enough to have every clue on what will happen. I think we can't even imagine some of the possibilities that could happen. I just hope that we get lucky and everything ends up ok :p

yeh, the Y2K bug was a load of crap. Im sure this is aswell.

[Colezy]

There's a guy talking about this on Enough Rope RIGHT NOW! :p

[Neo]

right fucking now!!
the earth is not going to end on wednesday, its going to end on the 21st of october :p

[Kev]

There's a guy talking about this on Enough Rope RIGHT NOW! :p

DAMNIT

I was busy watching Gordon Ramsey cause I don;t really like Denton;s show (except if anyone interesting I know/like is on it)


Damn Damn Damn.



edit:

Hooray for podcasting!

[Strider]

yeh, the Y2K bug was a load of crap. Im sure this is aswell.

Take that back!!!! Y2K was real. I'm just glad I spent thousands of dollars upgrading all my things.
:p

[|<3|]

I like this wired article. It seems to be as dumbed down and condensed as possible without being stupidly wrong. (well, I assume so, seeing as its a science site)

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/the-bosons-that.html

[Deadcat Kaye]

3ish more hours left on earth! :p

This sucks waiting around.

[Neo]

I am excited that we might see what would've happened if the ghost busters crossed the streams of their proton packs :p yay

[Aaron]

""Rock-star physicist" Brian Cox talks about his work on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. Discussing the biggest of big science in an engaging, accessible way, Cox brings us along on a tour of the massive project."

( link (http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html) )

It's a video. Good, too.

[Strider]

I've been watching those TED videos for a while now, some of them are absolutely mind-blowing.

[Neo]

I just realised something cool, I was conceived on this day 19 years ago, it would be hilarious if I died on this day hahaha.

so exciting 1 hr, 10 mins to go!! :D

[May]

Waiting...

[Kimjar]

I'm seeing Firebird tonight, and if some dodgy scientist fucks that up for me I'm gonna rip his balls out through his mouth. When I find him in hell, of course.

[|<3|]

providing everything went to schedual, it just got turned on. I'm not dead. Are you?

[Colezy]

Don't think so!

[Neo]

give it time to warm up geeze :p

[|<3|]

Still not dead ^_^

[Colezy]

If its so soopa doopa it shouldn't need time to warm up. Gosh :p

[Neo]

well it needed to cool down to -127.25 degrees celcius. oh well I was hoping something cool would happen. like time would warp and things would look cool

[Neo]

oh and news.com says its getting turned on at 6.30 pm...

[Deadcat Kaye]

It's getting switched on at 5.30!
Thats what Triple J said this morning.

Oh wells, if this is my last few hours on earth.
Then forumers, you guys are swell. :D

[Neo]

oh and also keep in mind, as i think i mentioned before, I dont think they are actually making a collision today. I read that the first is on 21st october. me and my freinds are going to have a end of the world party that day haha

[WHITE FALCON]

10 mins!
you guys are rad :)

[Deadcat Kaye]

oh and also keep in mind, as i think i mentioned before, I dont think they are actually making a collision today. I read that the first is on 21st october. me and my freinds are going to have a end of the world party that day haha

Well atleast I'll be 17 by then AND hopefully would have heard a recording version of Rats. :p

That'll be my only sadness, if we all die today, then I'll be pissed off that I didn't get to hear Rats in my last dieing seconds

[Neo]

and no stray cats next year. thats my biggest issue

[|<3|]

I like how there has been variations in the exact time. They probably turned it on months ago. SUCKERS.

[Colezy]

haha you idiot :p

I have a feeling that I am the only one in my household who is even aware of this haha

[WHITE FALCON]

hahahah:)
im not dead yet

[Ben reed]

yeah so apparently we didnt die
danggg

[Neo]

we are not dead because there is no collision today. yay

[Colezy]

But if its 6.30 like Jamie said, we've still got time! :p Plus, nothing will happen til Oct 21st.

But yeah..I don't see anything happening, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW! haha

*I was beaten :p

[WHITE FALCON]

ohh nice :)

[Aaron]

Get your updates here!

www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com (http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/)

[Infiction]

^ hahah, awesome.

[mel_bound]

Hahaha, that's brilliant :D

[_jimmy_]

hahaha

that was very informative :D

[Strider]

30 days to go until they start colliding the particles.

Dr Karl had a discussion bout it today on Triple J, was pretty interesting. As per usual a few n00bs decide to call in with uninformed objections.

[May]

How is it that we got 7 something pages into this and not a single one of you mentioned "End Of The World"?
And (other than Kylie) you call yourselves Living End Fans! shesh... :rolleyes:

[Sarah]

haha, I was trying to tone down on the fan girl :p

[|<3|]

Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped. Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched. Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn. Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down. Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament, tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.

[Deadcat Kaye]

Some chick in india commited suicide coz she thought the world was going to end and I guess couldn't handle it any more.

Kinda sad really

[|<3|]

Why wouldn't you just wait for the black hole to eat you if you truly thought that the world was going to end?

[Kimjar]

I think if the world was gonna end, at the time I'd like to be partaking in some crazy kinky sex. At least I'd go out with a bang, dunno about anyone else :p

[Julia]

Of all the ways to die, getting sucked into a black hole would be pretty damn cool. My cognitive science lecturer said the tiny black holes would take about 5 years to get big enough to eat the world anyway, so it was never going to be a matter of turning the machine on and the world ending instantly. Then again, he's a cognitive scientist, not a physicist.

[Strider]

I think if the world was gonna end, at the time I'd like to be partaking in some crazy kinky sex. At least I'd go out with a bang, dunno about anyone else :p

hahahah someone at work said that today!

Some ppl have the theory that a black hole is simply a link between alternate universes! So for all we know we may have already been sucked into one and not realised it.

[Aaron]

Doesn't quite work like that, Dan :rolleyes:

[Neo]

if we do end up heading down a black hole, i am totally looking forward to watching the light and time all stretching and stuff. That would look so rad!

How is it that we got 7 something pages into this and not a single one of you mentioned "End Of The World"?
And (other than Kylie) you call yourselves Living End Fans! shesh... :rolleyes:

It was in my mind the whole time :p


and I just read that the LHC has, in a way, caused the death of one person already http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/5007823 ...how sad.

[Strider]

Doesn't quite work like that, Dan :rolleyes:

How do ya know that. There's simply only theories at this point. And all of them are about as "airy fairy" as the next one. There's a good video on TED about the theorie of 10 universes intertwined to form our universe as we know it.

[Aaron]

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I know the one you're talking about - you just explained it wrong.

[Strider]

Probably did, most of the stuff goes over my head. I only half listen to them cos I try and work at the same time. Interesting concepts.

[Kev]

Anyone listen to the ABC Wednesday?

they covered a fair bit about this being turned on etc.

When it came crunch time and nothing happened, someone rang up and said "Yes something did happen. We all died then were instantaniously bought back to life"

The poor radio host didn't know what to say or do

[May]

Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped. Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched. Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn. Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down. Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament, tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.
And I feel fine.
Nice work Kylie.

[The Dying Start]

I was listening to that last night. Creepy!

[Deadcat Kaye]

My english teacher raised a really good point.

I'm doing a feature article about religion and the LHC....
"Science VS Religion"

and he said

If this thing works, then it will give even more evidence that the Bible and all those teachings are false

If it doesn't then it'll make a black hole and we'll be screwed.

[May]

If this thing works, then it will give even more evidence that the Bible and all those teachings are false

If it doesn't then it'll make a black hole and we'll be screwed.
Looks like the churchies will be screwed either way... :p

[Colezy]

haha!

I like the song that kylie had the lyrics too :)

[Strider]

My english teacher raised a really good point.

I'm doing a feature article about religion and the LHC....
"Science VS Religion"

and he said

If this thing works, then it will give even more evidence that the Bible and all those teachings are false

If it doesn't then it'll make a black hole and we'll be screwed.

Nah, not really. Anyone who says that is ignorant. Religion and Science are completely different topics. Creationists believe God has always existed, and created life. Athiests believe there is no God & life was simply a result of chance. Either way cannot be proved even if we were able to replicate the big bang, the question will still always be "how did it happen". What caused it to happen. It will simply create more questions.

A lot of science professors are ministers of religion so I don't think by believing in evolution you're restricted to not believing in a higher being.

[Matt]

A lot of science professors are ministers of religion .

Hah.

A lot more aren't

Somewhat relevant, my biology teacher is a christian fundy and doesn't believe in evolution.

[Strider]

And a lot of scientists aren't extroverted. And a lot prefer red over yellow. Yet what does that have to do with anything?

[Julian]

My Biology teacher and she says the more she learns about how complex everything about life is, the more she is convinced that it cannot be down to coincidence.

[Aaron]

Without getting into anything off-topic, I just want to point out that following simple rules to come up with something complex isn't coincidence - it's just a logical outcome. Snowflakes are complicated, but they just form that way because it's how things go. That reasoning can be scaled up to bigger examples too.

[Aaron]

Also, if anyone is paranoid about the work they do there, you can keep an eye on the place via webcam here (http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html). ;)

[E.B.]

Also, if anyone is paranoid about the work they do there, you can keep an eye on the place via webcam here (http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html). ;)

I guess Strider was right then ey? ;)
but seriously, that's absolute gold

[Deadcat Kaye]

lulz.

http://motivateurself.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/large-hadron-collider.jpg

[Deadcat Kaye]

the end of the world could still be upon us!

The first High Energy collision is expected to take place on the 22nd of September, then again on the 12th of October, then the real big thing happening on the 21st of October.

How exciting

[Kev]

Also, if anyone is paranoid about the work they do there, you can keep an eye on the place via webcam here (http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html). ;)


Hahahaha thats great

[Neo]

the Hadron Collider is faulty!! :eek::eek::eek:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/quest-for-big-bang-delayed-by-fault-in-hadron-collider-936314.html

[Sarah]

I know it would cost a lot of money, but for a project so big I would have thought they'd have their own fire brigade on site!

[The Dying Start]

the Hadron Collider is faulty!! :eek::eek::eek:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/quest-for-big-bang-delayed-by-fault-in-hadron-collider-936314.html
That liquid helium could have been the big bang we were all waiting for.

I know it would cost a lot of money, but for a project so big I would have thought they'd have their own fire brigade on site!
They forgot to nominate an OHS&W representative. They don't even have disabled parking spaces....




I thought a large hardon collider was that awkward moment during an orgy when you have a "bangkok" moment...if you know what i mean....

[May]

lol lots :p

[Neo]

some good-ish news! we wont be dying tomorrow either :D... this machine is a huge piece of shit and won't be running until April next year because it keeps failing with welding and electrical problems that made helium leak and something to do with using too much power which meant that there could be blackout over there and it also has run out of atoms to crash :p.

the more this thing crashes the more I feel we are doomed.

Also, a new theory that the machine could explode, which was actually my first fear. :eek:
http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/physicists-now-warning-that-la.html

[Boom King]

lolz @ stupid expensive useless machine.

[Aaron]

Well, something broke during a ramp-up test, which was designed to test for such problems. It takes a few weeks to heat up the magnets in one segment of the ring, then it has to be fixed, then they have to cool the magnets down again, which takes more weeks. But anyway, the whole site shuts down over the European winter every year to do maintenance, and reduce strain on the local electricity grid as more people use heaters. So it was going to be 'off' until April anyway.