your guitars

[_jimmy_]

write about your guitars, post pictures of them up,what youve done to them names of them possbily?

ive got a epiphone custom in white,awesome guitar,had the tuning heads changed once to make sure it doesnt go out of tune so easily,got a skull on it , and a sticker from autosalon magazine that says asm with wings on both sides and planning to change the pickups to better ones.

[*M!]

haha - i have my mums old no name accoustic - it's a lovely guitar - i named him rodreguez (i still don't know if that's how it's spelt... :O)

i also have a Fender Squire Stratocaster - i know, it's one of the bodgy ones - but it looks hot in my bedroom - it's bright red and it didn't cost a packet...

i don't really play electric - i don't like their feel nor sound but oh well...

the fender doesn't have a name...

i'm glad someone finally started a thread about the general forum population's guitars - mucho... better!

*M!

[State_Of_Emergency]

I was wondering

whats the best guitar to play TLE's music and rock stuff like that? I know chris uses a Gretsch.. is that the best? and also, what is the cheapest but good quality??

[RollOn]

I'm sure most of you here already know about my guitar.
I have a martinez FS-10C, that being a solid top steel stringed acoustic in a lovely sunburst.
I was meant to shop around before I bought my first guitar but saw it and fell in love with it!

His name is CJ, obviously named after Chris. CC sounded weird so I used his middle name and came up with CJ.
Got it signed by Chris and Andy at Rove Live that time when I went along just to meet the guys again haha
I don't really wanna do anything else to it at the moment, except getting his truss rod altered- Anyone know how much this generally costs?
I don't like stickers on acoutics. When I get my electric next year I might get a sticker for that, but could look a little weird with it's hot rod flames being an Epiphone flamekat and all.

Just for the record, here's some piks of CJ(he's a bit of a camera whore :p )
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/tlefan/signedguitar_tiny.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/tlefan/cj2.jpg
Don't worry about that photo, he's not scratched!! It was from the damn camera's flash!

[pool shark]

get an epiphone or even a squire

they're basically made for beginners (if your a beginner) i recomend getting something like a squier bullet special its pretty much a tom delonge strat but cheaper they have one pickup and one volume knob perfect for like a no nonsense sort of guitar

i have a washburn KC-30V ( i think thats the model ) chicargo series guitar looking at getting a new one though

[Kev]

This is a really bad photo of my guitar. I couldnt find the keys to the cupboard dad has it stored in.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8553/dsc00546zs8.jpg


I took the photo from another photo, because my scanner is up shit creek.


Oh and thats not me playing it. It's my old man.


I think the guitar must be about 15-20 years old. Not entirely sure.

[chainsaw cheney]

i have a shit angelica acoustic guitar that my uncle owned about 7 years ago. The pickgaurd is falling off and the paint is chipped and the action sucks and within 2 weeks, the strings are rusted. It's falling apart, but I still use it. And I've got a nylon one, but I'm not sure what it is... got it when i was 10 and I havent got an electric yet, but I will at christmas!! Only a 300 dollar one though, I tihnk. I'm going gtar shopping soon. FUN FUN!! But ah yep, asked my mate today, the cheapest Les Paul his work sells is an Epiphone for 700 and a double gibson cutaway is 1600 and les paul studio is 2400 so I dont think I'll be getting one of those yet.

[State_Of_Emergency]

get an epiphone or even a squire

they're basically made for beginners (if your a beginner) i recomend getting something like a squier bullet special...

thanks :D

they are pretty cheap. they good for playing TLE stuff or not?

[Kev]

thanks :D

they are pretty cheap. they good for playing TLE stuff or not?

any guitar can be used for playing TLE stuff. Even an accoustic.

Its you that makes stuff happen. Not the guitar.



A friend of mine got an Gibson for his birthday from his dad. His dad rang my dad and said he still doesnt play any better. he thought the guitar would make him play better. :confused:

[State_Of_Emergency]

any guitar can be used for playing TLE stuff. Even an accoustic.

Its you that makes stuff happen. Not the guitar.



ok, thats good

im gonna start learning acoustic, so i can learn TLE stuff, then later move on to electric

(is a package cheaper then just the guitar? and is this pack cheap??
http://bavasmusic.com.au/store/-p-1308.html)

looks cheap to me, and i like the guitar

[RollOn]

Are there any cheap electric packs that DON'T look like Fenders. I hate the look and sound of Fenders!

Edit* Sarah, that's in US dollars! Try looking at an Aussie website so you don't have to convert the USD into AUD!

[Kevin]

my main classical guitar
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2968/guitar1lz8.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guitar1lz8.jpg)

my main electric guitar
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3759/guitar2ca5.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guitar2ca5.jpg)

my old yamaha i don't use anymore
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4364/guitarsjb4.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guitarsjb4.jpg)

i can't find a pic of my other classical, but that only comes to parties these days.
i'm gonna get a steel string soon, cause i'm missing that type of guitar from my collection, and all i do at work on saturdays when i'm not teaching is play this one guitar

[State_Of_Emergency]

Are there any cheap electric packs that DON'T look like Fenders. I hate the look and sound of Fenders!

Edit* Sarah, that's in US dollars! Try looking at an Aussie website so you don't have to convert the USD into AUD!

oh,... its ".com.au" so isn't that aussie dollars?? humm

[RollOn]

Haha Oh man I am sooo sorry. I feel like the biggest twat ever, I didn't read it properly!
Show's how dopey and stupid I am still. *sigh*
Carry on.......Still looking for a cheap guitar/amp pack that doesn't look like a fender but plays well!

[Erin]

whats wrong with fenders? i don't own any guitar so i'm not sure why people resent them

[RollOn]

whats wrong with fenders? i don't own any guitar so i'm not sure why people resent them

Well for me personally they look like shit and play like shit.
Compared with all the other stuff I've played lately they sound awful!
Plus, ever other cheap guitar looks like a Fender, they're too stereotypical for my liking.

Yeah I just don't like them at all, never have done!

[mel_bound]

Well for me personally they look like shit and play like shit.
Compared with all the other stuff I've played lately they sound awful!
Plus, ever other cheap guitar looks like a Fender, they're too stereotypical for my liking.

Yeah I just don't like them at all, never have done!

agreed! my shitty squier has put me off them for life :p

[Erin]

all i know about guitars is that you strum them, and they make noise. :D

[State_Of_Emergency]

all i know about guitars is that you strum them, and they make noise. :D

lol, same here (except that they can play an "E" "F" and "G" note.. and a few chords :))

[Julia]

Aww everybody here sucks! Fender is like, totally my favourite brand! After playing my teacher's strat I was like OH MY GOD I MUST HAVE ONE! It was like playing Jesus himself. Teles are awesome too, I used to play in a country band and the lead guy had a tele and it was all like, twangtwang, pretty awesome sounding. In conclusion, Fenders are the coolest.

I have a Segovia steel-string acoustic which is pretty good, and a Maton classical from 1970 which makes me wet my pants. I have an Electromatic, an Epiphone and a Squier, which are all okay, all very different sounding, which is why I bought so many cheap guitars in case you're wondering. My new strat is coming this Christmas, and I am very excited to finally be getting a proper performing instrument. Once I get it I will be as good as Eric Clapton, isn't that how this stuff works? Of course it is, don't question me.

[Kevin]

didn't fender buy gretsch anyway? :p

[Julia]

I know Fender distribute Gretsch in Australia, they might own them too. I hope they do, Fender deserve to make as much money as humanly possible.

[Fritz]

................... with this topic. Where do I start ? lol

I got so many guitars I have to keep most of them away in a lock up cos I cant fit them in my house

[wizard_23]

Start with pics! pics r great!!! especially if their Gretschs. Any in response to a previous Q. Fender bought Gretsch. Google the "Gretsch Pages". Good site with heaps of info.

[RollOn]

I'm well aware that fender bought Gretsch, but thank god the Gretsch's don't look like Fenders!
As far as I'm aware, Fender just distribute the Gretsch's in Australia.

[Fritz]

i'll see if i can get a pic of most of my guitars

[wizard_23]

hmm... nice foto on the gretsch website if ur who i think u mite b....

[thelivingvines]

I hope the temperature and humidity in the lock up is constant... or you'll fuck 'em right up!

aaanyway, I have the following:
Squier Strat-
First Guitar, never play it anymore- kept it only for that reason. Hate it. doesn't deserve a name

Westfield Bass-
Again, piece of shit. Only reason I have it is to provide some basic basslines on recording. If hell opened up and swallowed this guitar (i wouldn't be surprised if it did the amount of callouses I seem to get from it) I woul simply walk down to the dollar store and get another one.

Taylor 310 CE-
My only acoustic. Not really much need for another one as this is the most awesome beautiful acoustic I have ever played. Beautiful sound both unplugged and plugged. I call it Taylor (I know, I thought it was inspired too)

Godin LGXsa-
Not sure if too many people know what these are- its such an ace guitar. it has synth access and a piezzo bridge as well as 2 custom seymour duncan humbuckers on it. You can mix all these sounds together to make up pretty much any sound you like. Awesome action, awesome sound, looks awesome. I call it Thelma

Gretsch Duo Jet (2001)
Probably my most played out of all of them at the moment- I use it a lot in recording and live. It just takes anything I throw at it. The sound obviously isn't as flexible as the Godin, but I'm only after a few types of sound at the moment anyway so it's not that important. It's a fantastic guitar, both to look at and play. Looks just like Chris' except that I refuse to put stickers on any of my guitars. I call this one Louise.

(on order) Gretsch White Falcon w/ Bigsby G6136t (2006)
If it hadn't been for the popularity of this model I would have it and be happily strumming it (without a belt or anything likely to scratch it on... possibly just in boxers to avoid the possibility). Sadly though i have to wait until December while they make the fucker. So excited though, i can't wait to plug it in and let loose. No idea what I am going to call it. No idea other than that I just want to get my hands on it.

[wizard_23]

[QUOTE Gretsch White Falcon w/ Bigsby G6136t (2006)QUOTE]

got 2 play this dream axe of mine in billy hydes (flemington) cupla months back. had to lose the watch, wrist band and any otha metal out of sheer respect. At the moment i cant even afford the ibanez artcore i want, but soon she will come. But once i start earning some moula (wen i finish school) im buyin my falcon dammit! but im really picky and im chasing one with the gretsch writing vertical on the neck, fancy inlays (not the thumbnail ones) and one of the classic looking bigsbys sortv'e like they make on the anni's these dayz. The ones that are all gold (no black). i've come close to finding a pic of sumthin along these lines but its got one of those thin tremolo arms with the big arch in em'. i really want a big chunky one 2 grab hold of. Such a thing or am i gunna hav 2 do sum mods????

[kyle_182]

http://www.blueshawk.info/hawk1web.jpg
this is what my guitar looks like but in wine red, would have preferred the black though

[thelivingvines]

[QUOTE Gretsch White Falcon w/ Bigsby G6136t (2006)QUOTE]

got 2 play this dream axe of mine in billy hydes (flemington) cupla months back. had to lose the watch, wrist band and any otha metal out of sheer respect. At the moment i cant even afford the ibanez artcore i want, but soon she will come. But once i start earning some moula (wen i finish school) im buyin my falcon dammit! but im really picky and im chasing one with the gretsch writing vertical on the neck, fancy inlays (not the thumbnail ones) and one of the classic looking bigsbys sortv'e like they make on the anni's these dayz. The ones that are all gold (no black). i've come close to finding a pic of sumthin along these lines but its got one of those thin tremolo arms with the big arch in em'. i really want a big chunky one 2 grab hold of. Such a thing or am i gunna hav 2 do sum mods????

if you walk into a shop with a g6136 and ask them to change the headstock and inlays for you i reckon you'll get laughed at. Are you being so picky because you want it to look like Chris' guitar?
I know you can get em looking like this... not sure what year they would have been around. Certainly relatively recently I guess as all the media are showing the wrong photos of the new model which look like what you just described.
Fritz? any ideas?

[wizard_23]

No not looking 4 it to look like chris's. Looking 4 it to look like the one i want. i've found images with everythin i want except for the rite bigsby. I just figure that im only probably eva going 2 b able 2 afford the one so i mite as well make sure its exactly wah i want. Who honestly buys a white falcon without some consideration of its aethsetic qualitys.

This one's the closest 2 wah i want...

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1552/2401401805hi7714ff56857bd0e69d9e61246817297dcf8.jp g (http://imageshack.us)


And this is the bigsby i want...

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4556/g6196txlgt7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[thelivingvines]

which one is the top one? like any idea of the age or anything?

[pool shark]

ok, thats good

im gonna start learning acoustic, so i can learn TLE stuff, then later move on to electric
yeah man start on acoustic like a dreadnaught acoustic or summn cheap, to get your fingers used to the strings and hands used to the fret board and do yourself a favour put some lighter gauge strings on the guitar, if there are heavier gauge strings already on it'll save you alot of pain

[kempos2112]

Howdy all, this is the third time iv had 2 re register on th TLE forums, there a bit buggy.
but i thaught id jump on back in in this topic as i have just gotten a new g-tar.

frist guitar- casino strat coppy, not worth a name, i havent even replaced the broken string for probably over a year.

Second guitar- Samach something royal. was prety cheep but it looks nice ad iv had it set up perfectly with some new picups in it i recon it would be a sweet shreading guitar. i call her cherry after the red gloss finish.

last guitar- G6118T (aniversery modle) the geen girl, only light ajustments have been done so far, i dont know how far to go i dont want 2 mess up the already nice feel. she hasnt got an offical name yet, so any sugestion would be cool.

ill try and get some pics up at some stage.

[Kevin]

the board shouldn't die now that it's using vBulliten, hopefully :)

call your 6118 "envy"

[WHITE FALCON]

ahhhh i like it!

[kempos2112]

envy

i dont see how it fits in, but i like it.
defantly like it

[RollOn]

Well the way I read it is that he and the rest of the board are pretty envious of your purchase!

You look after that one, I wish I could afford one. I guess I better keep saving, I'll be almost 70 by the time I earn that much money I reckon haha

[Jonesie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/Teleman027/Instruments/DSC02412.jpg

There's the ones i play the most. (top to bottom note: Dunlop Straploks on all)

2004 Gibson Melody Maker

2001 or 2002 Gretsch G3161 (TV Jones TV-Tron Classic in Neck, TV Jones TV-Tron Classic+ in Bridge, Schaller Locking tuners)

1999 Fender Standard Telecaster (Fender Strat Texas Special Neck Pickup, Fender Telecaster Texas Special Bridge Pickup, Schaller Locking tuners, jazz bass knobs, reversed control pannel(coming soon, a Bigsby!))

2004 Fender Deluxe Powerhouse Stratocaster

No year. Homebrewed Warmoth Esquire (1991 MIM Telecaster Neck, Warmoth Ash Telecaster body, Very very very very thin finish left on the body (it's been removed several times by the last owner, so it's kinda a mix...) Seymour Duncan Hot Tapped Tele Pickup, one Volume knob, no tone, reversed control pannel)

Not shown:

1982 USA Made Peavey Fury Bass
2000 Washburn XB-102 Bass
1983 Fender Gemini II 12 string acoustic
2004 Yamaha FGX-2004 LTD Acoustic

[kempos2112]

yeah, kind of worked tht out after i wrote that.
dont wory im still paying it off. will be for a nother year or so. but i thaught i might as well splash out whilst im young with hands, who knows, i coudl loose them in a trajic forum typeing acident. and i managed 2 get the guys to cut a grand of the price for me and a free set up.

[WHITE FALCON]

hahah well i was thinking envy like "he was green with envy" and annie's are 2 tone green so yeah thats why i thought! :D back me up kevin :D

[kempos2112]

actualy i think somoen might have sugested tht 2 me b4, there interestig colours of green, i love them now, but when i first saw onet i was confused by the colour scheme.
envy might be a go, cheers

[ViciousAli]

I have an epiphone sg (eb-0) bass... but im saving up for a Gibson Thunderbird :D

[Kevin]

hahah well i was thinking envy like "he was green with envy" and annie's are 2 tone green so yeah thats why i thought! :D back me up kevin :D

that's it, the green colour mainly, he spelt green wrong too, so after i posted i was wondering if i assumed correctly :p

[WHITE FALCON]

hahaha i was right!

yay! :D

[thelivingvines]

or you could call it 'caddy' after the cadillac green.

[Fritz]

nice fenders jonesie!

Yeah to the other fella... Yeah man seems as though your just after a brand new modern 6136 but with a BC3 bigsby instead

[Caity]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/monarogurl/Image016.jpg
The guitar we stole off a kid at school :p Just thought you might like to see it?

[wizard_23]

Yeah to the other fella... Yeah man seems as though your just after a brand new modern 6136 but with a BC3 bigsby instead

ah thanks, shall rite down the codes then i'll know wat im afta. could b a while yet though with my bank balance. U the same guy thats got the pic on the gretsch website or are my detective skills all wrong???

[_jimmy_]

you stole a guitar caity? anyway im looking to get a stagg stsa300bk from billhy hyde, anyone played it before?

[Jonesie]

nice fenders jonesie!

Yeah to the other fella... Yeah man seems as though your just after a brand new modern 6136 but with a BC3 bigsby instead

I'm a fan of my Fender's.


Right now I'm seriously GASsing for a Epiphone Sheraton II, and a 72 Telecaster Deluxe

[_jimmy_]

my schools got a canora stratocaster, its got a santana kinda sound when in rhythm, i always play putting you down with it.

[Sabbz]

I have a Epiphone Les Paul Custom. Awesome guitar. Got a sticker of a skull on it aswell. I am getting an Gretsch Electromatic as soon as it arrives at my local music store.

[Kevin]

i was playing an anni today, was a nice guitar, had a good feel to it (felt like several thousand dollars if i dropped it :p )

[-George-]

Ta-daaaah! (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/coffeemakesyoupee/IMG_1735.jpg)

I decorated this guitar myself... the girl is... I forget her name.. Shirley Manson? The singer from Garbage, anyway.
We got the guitar at an auction for cheap. It doesn't sound too good (or maybe its just my shit playing...)

And this is my boring electric which we also got at an auction. (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/coffeemakesyoupee/IMG_1733.jpg)

[kempos2112]

Ta-daaaah!

I decorated this guitar myself... the girl is... I forget her name.. Shirley Manson? The singer from Garbage, anyway.
We got the guitar at an auction for cheap. It doesn't sound too good (or maybe its just my shit playing...)


thats prety cool, iv always wnated 2 get a plan unfinished holow body and go nuts like that gretsch Setzer has, i have some custome stickers and stuff on my samich, but its prety tame. (will take a photo one day)

[_jimmy_]

anyone know where to get custom stickers?

[kempos2112]

i make myne out of this stuff i got for christmas once. its liek the same kind of material that u get them L and P plates for your car windows and they stick on soem how. i got like 20 A4 sheets of this stuff in different colours and ya jsut cut it out and stick it onto any smoothe surface, and if u get sick of it u can jsut take it off without the hassle of what a sticker woudl do. (once again, will eventualy show pics)

[-George-]

Ohhhhhhh that static stuff!!
Cooool.

[_jimmy_]

but than it will come off easily, i remember seeing this sticker stuff, its an A4 sheet that you cut out and make into what ever shape you want. but i cant remember where they sell them.

[-George-]

Yeah.. it would come off easy... but you wouldn't be left with a horrible sticky patch if you decided to take it off - and you can change it often and easily!

[kempos2112]

mmm, myne have held up prety good. one of my guitars being my crap Casino strat coppy use 2 be loaded with them, but over time they have fallen off. but i have soem good ones on my samich which have held up well, and i gig with that guitar and all, if i had any idea where 2 get the stuff i woudl tell ya, but i dont, id think craft shops or something.

[kempos2112]

Ok i got off my ass and took a photo, its at http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o221/kempos2112/MyBabys.jpg if any one wants an example of them sticker things.

any one else gonna put up any pics?

[wizard_23]

hey u use the same picks as me! good work! mmm.... nice anni. how much?

[kempos2112]

i got it down to 3 flat.

the pic in the samich is the type i usaly use, the dunlop .9 mill i think..the purple ones any who. i only have about 3 pics atm, i keep leavign them at gigs attatched the mic stands. also notice the missing strign on the casino, i recon its been liek tht for about 6 months.

[Jawn]

hey you guys know that stickers don't improve the tone of the guitar or your guitar playing skills right?

[Jodez]

So ive got this on layby as mum didnt have the money for it just yet. I dont get it till xmas which is a pain in the ass. I liked it so i was happy. Its way better than my "Magnum" which i got...Its a Epiphone LP100.



http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Jodez_01/BigRed.jpg

[Kevin]

awesome, nice colour too, looks sexy

[Jawn]

I saw a sexy beast of a Strat at Billy Hydes today. It was a Mexican Deluxe from memory, about 1500. was going to buy it but the beast at home still does the job.

[kempos2112]

id look around for a full USA strat befor buying a mexican one, my other guitarest in my band has a full US strat which he picked up for $1,200

[Jawn]

Why should I look for a USA strat?

The whole "mex strat sucks" thing may have been true some time ago but now the mexican models hold up to their own. Quite frankly the "US Strat" elitism thing is a bit tired.

I actually PLAYED and inspected this guitar for a good hour or so. I loved everything about it. Why should I look for another guitar merely so I can have a "Made in the U.S.A" printed on the headstock? The only reason I didn't walk out with that guitar is that im a tightarse and I can get a similar sounding sound with my cheap Ibanez and effects unit. It doesn't sound as good as the strat, but it does the job.


There is nothing wrong with the mex strats. In fact, I played a more expensive model US strat and I didn't like it as much. So there goes your blind "U.S strats are better" arguement.

[Lutman]

Why should I look for a USA strat?
Because umm, they're better.

[Jawn]

Because umm, they're better.

um... not necessarily... please read the rest of my post.


Actually no, Let's play a game.

You tell me all the valid reasons why U.S Strats are better than Mexican strats and provide resources and examples to back up your claims.

[Lutman]

I really can't be bothered proving it to you. I don't think it really needs proof either, USA Strats are the top Strats hands down.

[Kevin]

So there goes your blind "U.S strats are better" arguement.

Why should I look for a USA strat?Because umm, they're better.

hahaha, how's the blood pressure jawn?

[Jawn]

hahaha, how's the blood pressure jawn?

it's more the large dent I just put in the brickwall as my head hit it over and over again. :p


Some people just don't listen hahah

[WHITE FALCON]

most people are just ignorant of personal tatse!

[thelivingvines]

It all comes down to what you like the most I guess. If you like the sound and play of the mexican strat more then go nuts. The whole US made is better partially because of American snobbishness and partly because supposedly they use a higher class of wood, better electronics and I suppose because the original brand name is American. If you think it's a con and they're ripping you a couple of hundred bucks just for a sticker then go for it man.

[Julia]

I've played alot of Mexican Strats that have felt and sounded better than U.S. models. A guy at a local music store up here was saying that the Mexican factories are trying really hard to compete with the U.S. factories, and in alot of cases are producing better instruments. I guess the North American factories just wouldn't have that drive to improve quality when they know they're gonna sell anyway.

[Kevin]

it's all gonna come down to playing them first, there's good and bad us/jap/mex strats so it's best to try as many as you can

[F#m7sus4]

i have a yamaha acoustic its awesome its what i learnt to play on
i also have an ibanez electric somemodel or other

But about a year ago on thursday i got another guitar my real pride and glory
its a washburn 12 string electric acoustic complete with cut-away
and inbuilt tuner its awesome
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007VFUHU.01-A34VCPZVL7E6XQ._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
looks just like that except with a nicer pickup thingy yeah cost me $1100
and has been performing great ever since, the only things ive done to it is restring it
a few times (yes it is hard and takes a while) o and i redruced the action a little bit back took 1.5mm off the bridge very worth it thats about all ive done to it i did change the battery for the inbuilt tuner too but thats not to big of a deal

[Kev]

http://www.maton.com.au/images/stories/database/Lute%20Bass.jpg

We have one of these in the cupboard. I'm gonna learn how to play bass one day with it.

This is the website with the details on it. (http://www.maton.com.au/index.php?option=com_matonmuseum&Itemid=259&task=show_record_detail&model_code=L101%20(70))

[kempos2112]

heres another pice of the US versus Mexican argument, i hear that the US fender shop is closing down and will be moved to japan........so...it will soon be a case of Jap V's Mexican, and i wasnt dissing the lesser models by the way, my gretsch is a Jap rather than a US but im not complaining.

[_jimmy_]

im getting a stagg stsa300bk hollowbody from billyhydes this coming monday, its just like a epiphone dot. better be worth it.

[thelivingvines]

white falcon supposed to be arriving here any day now- after months of waiting I am like a fat kid waiting for the cookie store to open. So very very excited.

[thelivingvines]

heres another pice of the US versus Mexican argument, i hear that the US fender shop is closing down and will be moved to japan........so...it will soon be a case of Jap V's Mexican, and i wasnt dissing the lesser models by the way, my gretsch is a Jap rather than a US but im not complaining.

they're saying now is a great time to buy gretsh's because they are being so well made in Japan- I wonder if this move is at all related?

[BonesTLE]

I bought mine recently and I love it!
Here it is...

http://www.gretschguitars.com/fangallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1101

[thelivingvines]

it's arrived. I have done zero work all day. Absolutely friggin incredible sound. I love it. I can't stop looking at it or playing it. Its incredible in every detail.

[WHITE FALCON]

i cant decide. annie or falcon :(

annie is more old school. falcon is a beauty.

[thelivingvines]

i asked chris pretty much that same question to which he replied 'it's gotta be the white falcon, why d'ya think I got the tatoo?' and I can tell ya that having tried both on numerous occaisions and now having got one home its definately got to be the falcon. it's just friggin over the top awesome in every aspect. do it man, you have whitefalcon as your sign in name for a reason don't you?

[WHITE FALCON]

hahahh fuck yeah/ its my dream guitar!!!!!!!!!

i get exited thinking about owning one man

one thing too.

i cant seem to find the 2004 model i want. all the stores sell the 2005/06 model and i want this one

http://www.musoscorner.com.au/site/popup.cfm?popup_mode=GENERIC_IMAGE&document_path=../client_images/52635.jpg

[Sammas]

do it man, you have whitefalcon as your sign in name for a reason don't you?

Is that reason because Chris Cheney says so? :confused:

[BonesTLE]

it's arrived. I have done zero work all day. Absolutely friggin incredible sound. I love it. I can't stop looking at it or playing it. Its incredible in every detail.

Did you get the Bigsby model?

[thelivingvines]

Did you get the Bigsby model?

yeah, same one as you, I ordered it about 3 months back- had to wait until yesterday for it to arrive. I frggin love it. Worth every second of the wait.

[thelivingvines]

Is that reason because Chris Cheney says so? :confused:

if you read the post carefully you will have noted that there was a predetermined choice there between a range of guitars I decided I liked and could not possibly determine for myself. So I decided to ask the face of gretsch what his choice would be... and I decided to go with the answer he gave me combined with my own opinion.

[thelivingvines]

hahahh fuck yeah/ its my dream guitar!!!!!!!!!

i get exited thinking about owning one man

one thing too.

i cant seem to find the 2004 model i want. all the stores sell the 2005/06 model and i want this one

http://www.musoscorner.com.au/site/popup.cfm?popup_mode=GENERIC_IMAGE&document_path=../client_images/52635.jpg

Yeah I know.. that's sort of the spec I liked too, the neck and headstock are cool. I think that -unless you are in the US- you'll have a lot of difficulty in finding a 2004 model. I don't regret going for the 2006 at all; the decor really is a minor thing when you have it in your hands.

[BonesTLE]

yeah, same one as you, I ordered it about 3 months back- had to wait until yesterday for it to arrive. I frggin love it. Worth every second of the wait.

Yeah I had for wait ages too - I think coz it's a lefty the wait was even longer. Nothing will part me from it. Can't wait for the new pickups to arrive now :D

[BonesTLE]

Oh, you'll have to send in a photo to GretschGuitars (www.gretschguitars.com)!

[WHITE FALCON]

Yeah I know.. that's sort of the spec I liked too, the neck and headstock are cool. I think that -unless you are in the US- you'll have a lot of difficulty in finding a 2004 model. I don't regret going for the 2006 at all; the decor really is a minor thing when you have it in your hands.

fuck yeah i played the 2006 at billyhyde. it was awesome fuck. best guitar i have ever played. the tennesee rose i played was 100 time better then i thought it would be aswell.

what made me angry was that they had a silver falcon the exact model i wanted exept it was black :(

how would i get one from america?

most of the retail stores that ship them would have the 2006 model dont you rekon?

[Sammas]

if you read the post carefully you will have noted that there was a predetermined choice there between a range of guitars I decided I liked and could not possibly determine for myself. So I decided to ask the face of gretsch what his choice would be... and I decided to go with the answer he gave me combined with my own opinion.

I read your post carefully... you told someone to buy a white falcon because chris cheney said he likes them better. It isn't exactly a mathematics equation with a definative answer now is it... Its like saying "buy the size nine shoes because thats what chris cheney wears", you sure as hell better hope they fit the person who you told to buy them.

He is the face of Gretsch now? Does that make Lee Harvey Oswald the face of Carcano? Sure he is a great guitarist, but that doesn't displace the fact gretsch endorsers some guitarists who sold millions of albums before Cheney was even born.

You could consider it a devils advocate, but if a guitarist can't choose his/her own guitar I'd be concerned what happens when it gets to the more important stuff like the music.

[WHITE FALCON]

loool hardout.

the question was if you wanted to know :)

annie or falcon?

[hillaas]

FALCON! It is your dream guitar isn't it?

[WHITE FALCON]

yesss :) but annies are awesome aswell!

[WHITE FALCON]

i want to play one, and then play a falcon, then a annie, then a falcon and keep going until one really clicks :D

[hillaas]

Buy em both!

Seriously. I'd go and play em both for a fair bit in the shop and ask their advice and ask everyone you know for their advice. Also, i'd write down a pro's and con's list for each one. Maybe that will help you make the decision.

[Sammas]

loool hardout.

the question was if you wanted to know :)

annie or falcon?

aaargh, yeeeah I know. And the first response pretty much said "I'm the result of fandom interferring with common sense. Lets just do what Chris Cheney says instead of coming to our own individual informed decisions and conclusions".

comprehenda?

[Kevin]

i had to set up an ibanez electric yesterday, it was my first time using a floating bridge, and my initial reactions were why the hell would anyone want a floating bridge?

though after being told how to use it, it did seem like a pretty good idea.
the problem with it was the bridge was held by a pivot, and the tension of the strings and the springs underneath are meant to balance each other out and keep the bridge level, but as you tune the guitar, the string tension gets higher and the bridge starts to pull up, so you've gotta adjust the springs. but it gets worse, as you tune a string, it pulls tighter on the bridge, so all the other strings loosen lol

but once they're sorta all in tune, you're able to lock the strings and fine tune each string from the bridge. which is the good thing about it.

and i thought restringing a bigsby was a bitch...

[BonesTLE]

...and i thought restringing a bigsby was a bitch...

Yeah they're a pain... the first couple of times it took me ages! :D
I'm getting better now. Get that crimp in the string and put ya wedge in :cool:

I don't mind my floating bridge as it's fairly easy to set.
I don't like how quickly is goes out but - I'm thinking of getting it pinned down or something. Not too sure if this is a good idea though.

[thelivingvines]

Oh, you'll have to send in a photo to GretschGuitars (www.gretschguitars.com)!


will do asap. I haven't decided if it actually suits me yet... as like a guitar to 'wear'

[thelivingvines]

I read your post carefully... you told someone to buy a white falcon because chris cheney said he likes them better. It isn't exactly a mathematics equation with a definative answer now is it... Its like saying "buy the size nine shoes because thats what chris cheney wears", you sure as hell better hope they fit the person who you told to buy them.

He is the face of Gretsch now? Does that make Lee Harvey Oswald the face of Carcano? Sure he is a great guitarist, but that doesn't displace the fact gretsch endorsers some guitarists who sold millions of albums before Cheney was even born.

You could consider it a devils advocate, but if a guitarist can't choose his/her own guitar I'd be concerned what happens when it gets to the more important stuff like the music.

I posted my tunes already on the singer songwriter thread; go check em out. The critics seem to have loved them so far anyways.
Aside from that I guess the reason I asked Chris was because he has all the guitars I was interested in and he has played them and 'lived' with them every day; and that opinion is worth more than the bloke in the store working on commission. I did choose my own guitar, I've chosen 5 of them before and this was number 6- this time it was a case of 'I love all these guitars' and couldn't choose between them. It's not a case of 'do what Chris Cheney says' - I'm speaking for myself here- I just value his opnion, what's wrong with that?

[Sammas]

You mean the tunes including one called "bring back the weekend"? :eek:

either way those links have expired.

You are speaking for yourself by telling someone else to buy a white falcon because chris cheney says so? You own a white falcon yet you can't even express your own opinion about it... You honestly don't see anything wrong with that? :confused:

[thelivingvines]

I got it like 2 days ago... My opinion hasn't gone too far beyond this guitar is fucking incredible yet- why do I think it's incredible? it has the most amaaazing action on a guitar I have ever played, even lower down the neck is it just as malliable as at the top. The sound is beautiful; but I wouldn't expect anything less from those awesome Filtertrons and such a high quality wood; I think all the little details on the body make the guitar not just something awesome to play but something wicked to look at. is that a good start for you?

as to you criticising bring back the weekend it was written before I heard the TLE song- you either belive that or you don't; your call I couldn't care less. Haven't heard any of your music yet..... would be very interested to though.

[TLE_rok]

You are speaking for yourself by telling someone else to buy a white falcon because chris cheney says so? You own a white falcon yet you can't even express your own opinion about it... You honestly don't see anything wrong with that? :confused:

I admit I do want a White Falcon but that has nothing to do with the fact that Chris has one. I have wanted one for most of my life now. But if he told me to get one I would listen to his opinion but I probably wouldn't just act on what he says.
I wanted to find out for myself what its like to actually play a White Falcon so I went to a guitar shop while i was in Townsville. That definately made me really want one so thats what I'm getting but I'm not going to go around telling people to get them because maybe some people like different sounds or they dontlike the size of the White falcon....

[Jawn]

I admit I do want a White Falcon but that has nothing to do with the fact that Chris has one. I have wanted one for most of my life now. But if he told me to get one I would listen to his opinion but I probably wouldn't just act on what he says.
I wanted to find out for myself what its like to actually play a White Falcon so I went to a guitar shop while i was in Townsville. That definately made me really want one so thats what I'm getting but I'm not going to go around telling people to get them because maybe some people like different sounds or they dontlike the size of the White falcon....

have you heard of a White Falcon before you heard of Chris Cheney?

[dirty man]

I have a washburn x-series, quilted, my 1st guitar, with a shite amp

[thelivingvines]

i hadn't heard of Gretsch before I heard of Chris Cheney... I don't think that's a fair reflection on why I got into white falcons though. I was just becoming a 'guitar nerd' at the time I discovered TLE and was finding out about all sorts of guitars. I'm sure I would have come across it eventually. How could you not?
People hardly know TLE (sadly) in the UK, but everyone who claims to know things about guitars will know what a white falcon is. It's the friggin holy grail of guitars at the moment. There's a reason orders are backlogged for 3/4 months.

[Julian]

I got an Ibanez Artcore AF86 today. It's great, even better for it's price. It replaces my crapola Yamaha. Although my Yamaha actually isn't that bad, it was a decent beginners guitar but I didn't treat it all that well and now it's falling apart a bit. I've been waiting so long to get a decent guitar, i'm so freaking happy right now :D

[Sammas]

It's the friggin holy grail of guitars at the moment. There's a reason orders are backlogged for 3/4 months.

I guess that depends who you ask...

A 4 month wait really isn't that much in the grand scheme of things. Brands like Tyler, Suhr and Anderson have leadtimes verging on three years for certian models.

[Sammas]

I admit I do want a White Falcon but that has nothing to do with the fact that Chris has one. I have wanted one for most of my life now. But if he told me to get one I would listen to his opinion but I probably wouldn't just act on what he says.
I wanted to find out for myself what its like to actually play a White Falcon so I went to a guitar shop while i was in Townsville. That definately made me really want one so thats what I'm getting but I'm not going to go around telling people to get them because maybe some people like different sounds or they dontlike the size of the White falcon....

I don't have anything against people wanting a white falcon... but at the same time I don't think its out of line to suggest that people should be able to think for themselves.

[Julian]

Here's a (crappy) pic of my Artcore
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2913/p5140007wf1.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5140007wf1.jpg)

[Jawn]

i hadn't heard of Gretsch before I heard of Chris Cheney... I don't think that's a fair reflection on why I got into white falcons though. I was just becoming a 'guitar nerd' at the time I discovered TLE and was finding out about all sorts of guitars. I'm sure I would have come across it eventually. How could you not?
People hardly know TLE (sadly) in the UK, but everyone who claims to know things about guitars will know what a white falcon is. It's the friggin holy grail of guitars at the moment. There's a reason orders are backlogged for 3/4 months.

yeah thats cool man, wasn't a dig really.


Im a bit biased because I don't like Gretsches that much. I'm a Fender man. To me, the Strat is the holy grail.

[WHITE FALCON]

hahahah we could debate about guitars for ever because in the end it comes down to OPINION!

its the thelivingvines + Sammas show at the moment battling it out :p

s'all good guys.

[thelivingvines]

I guess that depends who you ask...

A 4 month wait really isn't that much in the grand scheme of things. Brands like Tyler, Suhr and Anderson have leadtimes verging on three years for certian models.

yeah I guess... would you regard gretsch as a mainstream brand though- being as its owned by fender I guess you would have to- and in that context it is a considerable wait. You would hardly ever have to wait for a gisbson, a fender or something as (boring) and mainstream as that.

[thelivingvines]

I don't have anything against people wanting a white falcon... but at the same time I don't think its out of line to suggest that people should be able to think for themselves.

do you think people can think for themselves and still consider opinion from other people? that's all i see myself as doing.

[thelivingvines]

yeah thats cool man, wasn't a dig really.


Im a bit biased because I don't like Gretsches that much. I'm a Fender man. To me, the Strat is the holy grail.

that's cool- each to his own. I guess the only problem I have with fenders isn't so much the guitar- they're excellent, it's that it's what everyone thinks of, ya know. EEEEveryone plays them and I just find them to be a bit generic. I just feel people should be trying things which are a little more obscure and interesting.

[thelivingvines]

hahahah we could debate about guitars for ever because in the end it comes down to OPINION!

its the thelivingvines + Sammas show at the moment battling it out :p

s'all good guys.

no beef here, my chums. Just loving the heated discussion.
of course it all comes down to opinion- you can only prove facts, value judgements are not subject to proof.

[Jawn]

I just feel people should be trying things which are a little more obscure and interesting.

I find this to be one of the silliest things people say. Not just with guitars, but with music. This mainstream-phobia thing.

I couldn't care less who plays the Strat, how many people love it, how easy I can get one from the shops. On its own, its a fantastic guitar with a fantastic tone, and it is comfortable to play. Why should its popularity or mainstream value weigh into it at all?

If its to be different, write different music. Revolutionise music. We need a new Beatles type revolutionary band to shake things up a bit. Don't be different by playing a guitar that isn't as popular. Because, after all, 99% of the people out there don't care what guitar you are playing or know anything about them to talk about your guitar choice. Do people listen to The White Stripes because Jack White plays an obscure 60s model electric guitar that is just about impossible to get these days? No, they listen to him because of Seven Nation Army.

[thelivingvines]

mm... that's not really what I meant. I don't have a problem with the mainstream thing.. but when every other band is playing either a fender strat or a tele or a gibson es335... as much as they are really great guitars I just feel its lazy on their part somehow- like they couldn't be aresed to look for something better to suit their live needs. Look at Matt Bellamy- now those are interesting guitars!
people can play what they want, I know it makes no difference to a lot of people- but as a guitarist who knows there is better out there it frustrates me. Is that a little clearer?

[WHITE FALCON]

that's cool- each to his own. I guess the only problem I have with fenders isn't so much the guitar- they're excellent, it's that it's what everyone thinks of, ya know. EEEEveryone plays them and I just find them to be a bit generic. I just feel people should be trying things which are a little more obscure and interesting.

EXACTLY why i didnt buy one. its the whole conformist thing, lets go buy a fender coz everyone else has one. but my choice wasnt like that lol i just dont like them more than something else i could of got. i got a SG :D still mainstream but out there to an extent.

oh and thelivingvines, 4 posts in a row man:eek:
thats preetty fuckin shweeeet

[damo0945]

just to throw in another spanner... my personal favourite guitar (playing wise) is my friend's ibanez (i think its a GIO thats what the headstock says) coz it has nice big jumbo frets and a powerful bridge humbucker. Looks wise I really like SGs. Particularly black or blue and also the platinum one i saw on ebay yesterday.

[TLE_rok]

have you heard of a White Falcon before you heard of Chris Cheney?

sorry for the late reply but yes i had

[Sammas]

Thats sooooo rock'n'roll... after all, if you look like a rockstar, you are a rockstar... right?

Somehow I don't think choosing one mass produced guitar over another mass produced guitar is going to define you as an individual... Perhaps the emphasis on image to define you as an individual is prompted by an inability to fully express yourself through your music.

Guitarists who choose strats, or LP's, etc aren't lazy. They are simply playing instruments that they enjoy... They aren't suffering from an identity crisis, they are more than happy to let their music doing the talking. Just a thought, im sure every musician goes through it at one point or another.

[Jawn]

mm... that's not really what I meant. I don't have a problem with the mainstream thing.. but when every other band is playing either a fender strat or a tele or a gibson es335... as much as they are really great guitars I just feel its lazy on their part somehow- like they couldn't be aresed to look for something better to suit their live needs. Look at Matt Bellamy- now those are interesting guitars!
people can play what they want, I know it makes no difference to a lot of people- but as a guitarist who knows there is better out there it frustrates me. Is that a little clearer?

How is it lazy? They are great guitars, that have managed to work perfectly for the worlds greatest guitarists around.

Why does the guitar have to look interesting? Let your music do the talking, not the guitar.

[GoodOrEvil]

I don't actually have a guitar yet, I'm getting my first one for Christmas. Probably this one (http://www.soundcentre.com.au/images/corg_guitar_pack.jpg) though.

[thelivingvines]

Thats sooooo rock'n'roll... after all, if you look like a rockstar, you are a rockstar... right?

Somehow I don't think choosing one mass produced guitar over another mass produced guitar is going to define you as an individual... Perhaps the emphasis on image to define you as an individual is prompted by an inability to fully express yourself through your music.

Guitarists who choose strats, or LP's, etc aren't lazy. They are simply playing instruments that they enjoy... They aren't suffering from an identity crisis, they are more than happy to let their music doing the talking. Just a thought, im sure every musician goes through it at one point or another.

who said anything about defining myself as an individual? sonically speaking I think there are so many more interesting sounds out there than strats offer. They do their job really well and I am not taking that away from them at all. I would pick a jaguar over a strat any day though because i really love some of the cool sounds you can get out of them that you just can't get out of a strat.
If I have an inability to express myself through music it's not because of the guitars I am playing it's because I'm not a good enough guitarist to do that; a decision I leave up to the listener.
whether you like it or not music as it is at the moment does depend on image to some extent; maybe not in the guitars they play but in the show they present to their audience. TLE all wear very destinctive clothes I think and they have an incredible nack for showmanship; Muse have that whole spacerock thing going on at the moment etc whether you like it or not that's all part of the image they present when they do a show - Jawn was right in saying that only a tiny amount of people present at a show are going to know or care about what guitar you are playing anyway. It's all about playing what you are happy with- if they're happy to play strats then I am fine with that, I just think there are more interesting sounds to be had.
I bought this really awesome guitar a couple of years back, not sure how well known they would be for you to have heard of them- it's a Godin LGXsa- not only does it have one of the best actions I have ever felt on a guitar but the sounds you can get out of being able to mix the custom seymor duncans with the piezzo bridge are friggin incredible- warm or twangy, sounds awesome with some distortion on it. If you want it to do the strat thing it can, if you want it to sound more like a gibson it will. But it has so much more to offer than that- I think this just shows that there is a lot more to be had out there and if you want to express yourself as a musician then it's good to have a different range of sounds to play with.

[Julian]

How is it lazy? They are great guitars, that have managed to work perfectly for the worlds greatest guitarists around.

Why does the guitar have to look interesting? Let your music do the talking, not the guitar.
They are great guitars indeed and I mostly agree with you. I don't like the look of Strats. Simple as that. I agree that the music should do the talking but I don't wanna spend a whole lot of money on a guitar I think is ugly. Not that I was going to buy one anyway, regardless of the look.

[Julia]

I think the whole argument that people should use more interesting sounding guitars is just lame. Eric Clapton doesn't play a Strat because he saw one of the cool kids at school playing one, it's just the guitar that is perfectly suited to his style. There's no need for him to start playing some weird 18th century guitar built on top of the tallest mountain in Peru by the blind, deaf, mute village luthier.
People choose certain guitars because of the sound they want to produce, the comfort and the look. I wouldn't call anybody lazy for choosing a popular guitar, and I think the amount of people who play that guitar should be irrelevant to you choosing yours. There is a reason that Strats and LPs are so popular, and it's not just because people want to be cool, believe it or not they do serve a practical purpose. To say that they're lazy and that there's, "better guitars out there" is silly, because, how do you define a better guitar?

De gustibus non est disputandem. (Matters of taste are not to be disputed)

By the way, I don't mean to be hateful to anybody, just discussing.

[Sammas]

who said anything about defining myself as an individual? sonically speaking I think there are so many more interesting sounds out there than strats offer. They do their job really well and I am not taking that away from them at all. I would pick a jaguar over a strat any day though because i really love some of the cool sounds you can get out of them that you just can't get out of a strat.
If I have an inability to express myself through music it's not because of the guitars I am playing it's because I'm not a good enough guitarist to do that; a decision I leave up to the listener.
whether you like it or not music as it is at the moment does depend on image to some extent; maybe not in the guitars they play but in the show they present to their audience. TLE all wear very destinctive clothes I think and they have an incredible nack for showmanship; Muse have that whole spacerock thing going on at the moment etc whether you like it or not that's all part of the image they present when they do a show - Jawn was right in saying that only a tiny amount of people present at a show are going to know or care about what guitar you are playing anyway. It's all about playing what you are happy with- if they're happy to play strats then I am fine with that, I just think there are more interesting sounds to be had.
I bought this really awesome guitar a couple of years back, not sure how well known they would be for you to have heard of them- it's a Godin LGXsa- not only does it have one of the best actions I have ever felt on a guitar but the sounds you can get out of being able to mix the custom seymor duncans with the piezzo bridge are friggin incredible- warm or twangy, sounds awesome with some distortion on it. If you want it to do the strat thing it can, if you want it to sound more like a gibson it will. But it has so much more to offer than that- I think this just shows that there is a lot more to be had out there and if you want to express yourself as a musician then it's good to have a different range of sounds to play with.


Perhaps its time to broaden your listening? Can't harm, right? Music has absolutely zero dependence on image... none, nada, zilch, zip. Its existed for centuries with a concentration on only the music, and will continue to do so...

Compared to the tonal spectrum, the variations in sound that different guitars provide are a drop in the ocean. Even playing technique provides are greater range of tonal variation than an assortment of guitars. A guitar will always sound like a guitar, unless the person playing it makes it sound otherwise... at that point, whether it sounds like a Les Paul or a Strat is redundant. Take Jeff Beck for example, he has used the same gear for pretty much his entire career. What makes him different is that he approached the guitar with the sole intent of making it sound like something other than a guitar. Some of the sounds he gets out of the same instrument are incredible. Even if he changed from his strat to a hollowbodied jazzbox his tone will still be distinctively his own because the creative idea's and the conviction and passion in which he executes those idea's remain the same.

There are plenty of guitarists that have used the same type of guitar for almost the entirety of their music career. Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, Malcom Young, Chuck Berry, B.B King, Buddy Guy, Brian May, etc, etc... None of them had any problems adequately expressing themselves with only one instrument.

I don't think you should be concentrating on the sound of an instrument as a means of expression... Its what you do with that sound that really matters.

[thelivingvines]

fair enough. whatever I think I don't think you will ever agree with me. I see your point and understand it perfectly, but aspects of my own views disagree. I love all my guitars for different reasons and it has very very little to do with what they look like at all. They all serve a different purpose in my tonal arsenal in the war against crappy music and the good fight for making my own stuff.
speaking of broadening your listening- there's this awesome new programme called 'ilike' which you can download and it attaches to your itunes so that when you play something by an artist it recommends other people you might like. Only got it yesterday but it seems like a cool idea. see what you make of it anyways.

[Sammas]

I've been using Last.FM for quite a while. Sounds like the same thing. Listening to different artists of similar style isn't really what I ment though.

[thelivingvines]

i know what you meant. I think I listen to a greater variety of music than you would give me credit for- I also just have to accept that there are just some types of music that I will never ever be into and I don't intend to forcing it.

[Sammas]

Most things are hated or disliked because they aren't understood. And most of us aren't prepared to take the time to look beneath the surface for whatever reasons... perhaps due to the social or cultural motivation behind a genre's conception (I know thats why I will never be into rap, for example), or perhaps because an opinion is formed purely on what is heard in commercial music... or perhaps because some people choose to conform to simple notions like "its not real music unless its played by real instruments".

Im not having a go at you, quite the contrary. I'd certianly be keen to hear what other bands or music you are into.

[thelivingvines]

The next sentence I was going to add to my last post but decided not to because I thought it was an obvious conclusion to draw was that I wouldn't listen to some genre's because I don't think I could ever understand them- rap was the example I was going to use (just how much can they write about money, bitches and cars? not enough apparently).
My 'top 5' doesn't make me look very diverse I don't think:
1- TLE
2- The Vines
3- Jeff Buckley
4- Elliot Smith
5- Muse

I'm really into the beach boys and a lot of 60s stuff (not a beatles fan though), St Germain, TCTC, the doors, prodigy, the shins, the sleepy jackson, suede, turin brakes, sam roberts- that's the kinda stuff that is regularly on... nothing astoundingly revolutionary there; but its all different to each other. What I especially hate is this whole 80s rehash that's going on at the moment. I can't stand it, the sooner franz ferdinand, kaiser cheifs, scissor sisters, every other band NME is knocking one out over, and from what I hear this fat lesbian feminist from a band called gossip fall off the edge of the earth the sooner people will start listening to good stuff again.

[Julian]

The Shins are great! But can we keep this retarded which guitar is better/music taste stuff out of this thread and keep it on topic.

[Jawn]

The next sentence I was going to add to my last post but decided not to because I thought it was an obvious conclusion to draw was that I wouldn't listen to some genre's because I don't think I could ever understand them- rap was the example I was going to use (just how much can they write about money, bitches and cars? not enough apparently).
My 'top 5' doesn't make me look very diverse I don't think:
1- TLE
2- The Vines
3- Jeff Buckley
4- Elliot Smith
5- Muse

I'm really into the beach boys and a lot of 60s stuff (not a beatles fan though), St Germain, TCTC, the doors, prodigy, the shins, the sleepy jackson, suede, turin brakes, sam roberts- that's the kinda stuff that is regularly on... nothing astoundingly revolutionary there; but its all different to each other. What I especially hate is this whole 80s rehash that's going on at the moment. I can't stand it, the sooner franz ferdinand, kaiser cheifs, scissor sisters, every other band NME is knocking one out over, and from what I hear this fat lesbian feminist from a band called gossip fall off the edge of the earth the sooner people will start listening to good stuff again.

what is it about the Beatles you don't like exactly?

[thelivingvines]

I'll stick some piccis of a few of mine up later and get things back on track.

[thelivingvines]

I'm not sure, by all means I should like them as they influence so much of what I listen to. It's not that I hate them, I don't actively dislike them either. I just don't get especially excited by much of what they did.

[Jawn]

I'm not sure, by all means I should like them as they influence so much of what I listen to. It's not that I hate them, I don't actively dislike them either. I just don't get especially excited by much of what they did.

have you heard most of their stuff?

I personally believe that if you don't find something on the Abbey Road album, for example, to blow your head off you mustn't have a head to blow off or something. I'm just curious as to how much Beatles you have actually heard for you to form that basis. Like, if you just listened to say Octopus's Garden and wrote them off based on that song, I could understand where you are coming from. But if you got through the Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/ The End medley and didn't find anything in it, I'd be checking your pulse.

[thelivingvines]

the answer to that then is that I probably haven't heard enough if that is what you believe.

[Kevin]

he's a real nowhere man :p

[thelivingvines]

if I had to pick a favourite... probably Hey Bulldog, or maybe twist and shout.

[Sammas]

rap was the example I was going to use (just how much can they write about money, bitches and cars? not enough apparently).

This was kind of my point. Very little rap is actually about "money, bitches and cars"... it is contrary to the poor part of society and its related culture of the Bronx where rap was initially concieved. But because this particularly shallow appropriation is thrusted out to people via the commercial world it is used as a point of judgement, albeit very premature on an entire genre of music. This isn't just specific to rap music either. The vast majority of rap music has very little to do with money, bitches and cars.

If you tell a red wine drinker that you don't like wine they usually reply "its not that you don't like wine, its just that you haven't found the wine that you like". Its exactly the same case with music. Given the unfathomable amount of music thats out there, I'd find it very very unlike that people couldn't find at least a dozen examples from every genre that they enjoy... but because people judge genres on the 1% of music shared through the commerical world they don't even bother to look any deeper. Perhaps because of stubberness or silly notions like being associated with only a certian genre of music, and how listening to other genres will somehow change what people think of you.

[thelivingvines]

That's cool, i like that little wine analogy there. I was only being flippant with the whole money, bitches and cars bit; there's one or two little things i like... nothing I would actively go out and buy though.

[thelivingvines]

bit of self whoring for you. not the best of pictures... but it'll do.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/thelivingvines/DSC00087.jpg

[WHITE FALCON]

fuck yeah!

nice guitars!

they are the two that i want plus a annie :D

how much? :D

[thelivingvines]

how much did I pay or how much would i sell them to you for? I would never sell them, not in a million years. Wish I had pictures of the other ones-they're down south at the moment, theres some really nice (non-gretsch) beauties among them. I'll see what I can dig out.
I paid about £900 (2240 AUD) for the duo jet- bought it in Canada so it was really cheap compared with here. Just got the white falcon which i got for £1700 (4230 AUD)- I think one way or another I conned the store out of about £600 (1500 AUD) in price reduction, free set ups and a whole load of other stuff- that's how I roll!

[Daniel]

fuk dude you have some sweet guitars!!

i dont own any there "all my dads" i just play them these days

he has -strat -flying v -les paul (epi with bigsby), few acoustics and a 50's guitar
the 50's guitar is Easily MY favourite it looks like "OMG" its got f holes with a huge body and is a butterscotch colour... when its at my house (soon) ill take a pictures and post them

[thelivingvines]

thank you guys, I love them and care for them as if they were my children, I actually don't even let people play the white falcon- i figure I am the only one to blame when something happens to it that way, that and its only my dead finger skin I have to clean off the fretboard every time I play.
When I get home next week I'll send some pictures of the other beasts; student flat's don't really lend themselves to having lads of guitars lying around. Got £5000 of stuff stolen last year and I'm sure as hell not having that happen again.

[Daniel]

jeez guitars stolen :S
my dad has his house robbed the crooks stole everything but the guitars lol
considering the guitars + equipments is easily the most exspensive stuff hes prettty lucky

[Evil Chris]

Well I didnt steal my guitar, I did steal afew strings that are on it though.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7045/pc010031iw4.jpg

It looks crap but awesome sound.

[thelivingvines]

G&L? is that what make it is?

[Evil Chris]

No, just GL. I dont care about brands. As long as they sound good and as for electric. Awesome pickups. My old Samick Guitar had awesome Pick Ups. But decided to sell it and the Amp. And Got an Acoustic. Its got a nice sound to It.

[thelivingvines]

nah, I just asked because I know a little about G and L. Nevermind. The only reason I would care about brands is because of their association with a certain sound. I wouldn't say 'that great gretsch sound' is an advertising gimmick as the gretsch sound is actually something distincitive, as is the sound of a strat, a tele, a les paul or whatever. if there's a sound you like....

[BonesTLE]

My TV Jones pups arrived today! I couldn't bare the possibility of me stuffing it up so I'm getting them installed professionally - tomorrow I get to test them out...

[WHITE FALCON]

fuck yeah!

recordings? =D

[Julian]

How much is it costing you to get them installed?

[BonesTLE]

How much is it costing you to get them installed?

I guess I'll find out tomorrow... :)

[tainted_love]

My favourite guitar that I play most is an Epiphone Dot Studio 335, but I also have a Squier Strat and a Fender Precision Bass. I don't play bass very often any more though.

[Julian]

Cool man, I considered getting a Dot at one point. Pics?

[tainted_love]

Not the greatest pictures, I'll take some better ones some other time.

http://myspace-572.vo.llnwd.net/01524/27/55/1524555572_l.jpg

http://myspace-305.vo.llnwd.net/01524/50/36/1524556305_l.jpg

[kempos2112]

wow, love the raw wood look, what kind of wood is
it?

[WHITE FALCON]

yeahhh brooo thats a rad looking guitar. i played one at allans and it was ok but i thought the artcore sounded better =D

its ok ill get my annie/6120/falcon soon =D then ill take like 1927328917 pics and post em :D

[tainted_love]

I'm not sure exactly what sort of wood it is, I know it's some sort of maple. I was tossing up between this or an Artcore, but I decided to go with this and have more money to spend on an amp. Here's a little bit better photo. http://myspace-780.vo.llnwd.net/01528/08/71/1528581780_l.jpg

[hillaas]

Far Out! Nice looking guitar!

[Julian]

yeahhh brooo thats a rad looking guitar. i played one at allans and it was ok but i thought the artcore sounded better =D

They're different guitars though so you can't really compare them. I wanted a full hollowbody, not a semi and the Artcore was the best for my price range for that. But damn, that Epiphone is a mighty fine looking geetar!

[thelivingvines]

looks like mahogany to me. maple tends to be a very pale colour.

[hillaas]

Does it sound good?

[thelivingvines]

i stand corrected- i looked it up and its a laminated maple body.

[tainted_love]

Yeah I love the sound of it, I'd post some sort of recording but I don't have a decent mic, through my Fender Bassman and overdrive pedal it sounds fucking good. (I also use a Kustom 50watt amp, but the Fender sounds a bit better)

[Liz]

My older brother actually listened to me for once when I said I wanted to play guitar, so for Christmas today, I got an electric from him. I'm in love with it and I'm going to start lessons next year. The guitar's a photo whore, so I'll upload pics later.

[Astoria!]

I own a Fender Strat copy, Japan make... And a steel string acoustic by some retarded brand lol

My brother just got an Epiphone for Xmas so il be playing that ;)

Plan is to get enough cash for an anniversary gretsch by mid-07

[Julian]

Hurry up with the pics Lizbo!

[Armistice]

I have a Fender Squire Strat. I like it and does fine for me since I'm a beginner and only have been playing for 7mos on and off.

http://myspace-099.vo.llnwd.net/00768/99/03/768543099_l.jpg

I'd like to move up to an acoustic electric sometime in the future. I love them

[Julian]

Do you mean a semi acoustic/hollowbody?

[tainted_love]

Squier Strat are a decent guitar, I'd rate them as highly as a Japanese Fender Strat. They are versatile enough to play anything with, I only got rid of my Strat because it's neck was cracked, it was good to play.

[Armistice]

Do you mean a semi acoustic/hollowbody?

Haha, yes. See, I forgot from my other thread already! Electric hollowbody... yah

[Liz]

Hurry up with the pics Lizbo!

Here it is....

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5128/xmas004tb0.jpg

GUITAR SOLO! :p

[Armistice]

I've wanted to know, what does the "Rhythm" and ""Trebble" switch for? Diff sound?

Nice guit btw :D

[Liz]

I'm not sure what it does. :confused: I haven't started lessons yet. Next year I start.

[mel_bound]

Rhythm and Treble changes which pick ups are being used. Having it in the middle, both are on, but if you flick it one way only the bridge pickup will be on, and the other will be the neck pickup. I don't know which one is which though.

[Liz]

Okay. Thanks Mel. :)

[Jodez]

^yeah ok that makes sense, cause thats what my new one has on it as well, they should bloody come with instructions :p

[Liz]

I know! This Beginner's Guide To Guitar isn't enough!
I'm a blonde for goodness sake. At first I couldn't even work out how to it in the amp. :p

[jessebelle]

Aww. There there Liz! :p
Do you know how to read tabs?

[Liz]

Kinda. The teacher I'm gonna get lessons with with teaches by music though.

[Jodez]

Your teacher can be my teacher :p which means my teacher would be you :p

[Liz]

Well I'm just plain confused. :p

[jessebelle]

Kinda. The teacher I'm gonna get lessons with with teaches by music though.

Their pretty easy to learn, the way I learnt was one of my friends started teaching me a song and then I looked up the tabs for it and just looked at them for a while figuring out how exactly to read them and just went from there (If that makes any sence)
But I'm sure your guitar teacher could show you how to read them anyway

[Liz]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...

[Jodez]

tabs are easy to read, its just when you start seeing the bends and pull ofs etc, is when it gets tricky

[Julian]

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1952/p6190028jc1.jpg
I took the pickguard off my Artcore 'cause it was vibrating against one of the pickups but I think it looks way better so I didn't bother fixing it.

[thelivingvines]

The treble is when the sound you get out of the guitar sounds like it is picking up the higher strings on the guitar- using the bridge pick up ("the treble strings")- the rhythm is when the guitar sounds like it is picking out the lower strings for a more bassy sound- the neck pick up. . In the middle it's a mixture of the two- both pick ups.
When the switch is "up" then it is set to rhythm- when it is down it is set to treble. does that help?

[Liz]

Err, little bit! :p
Thanks.

[thelivingvines]

no worries. chris uses a really treble like sound, so you want to have that knob down. enjoy.

[Liz]

tabs are easy to read, its just when you start seeing the bends and pull ofs etc, is when it gets tricky

I'm pretty sure I'll be learning tab too, but I find reading music easier because I read music when I play piano.

[damo0945]

no worries. chris uses a really treble like sound, so you want to have that knob down. enjoy.

you generally use the bridge for distortion anyway don't you cos otherwise it goes all weird? (i think i know this but just making sure). My guitar only has a bridge pickup, it's a squier bullet strat. sounds pretty good

EDIT: by all weird I mean static from too much signal

[tainted_love]

I always use the bridge pickup because I like the twangier sound. A lot of metal players use neck or both pickups because it gives a fuller bassier tone. It's personal preference though.

[Liz]

Gah, it's all so confusing! :p

[Julian]

Play around with it. You'll hear the difference and what you want

[thelivingvines]

if its a living end like sound you are after; there isn't too much gain on that sound. From the pickup and tone pots on his guitars in photos he mixes it up between mostly the bridge pickup and both.

[That Canadian Guy]

Just got me one of these last week but without the Bigsby

http://www.gretschguitars.com/repository/gretsch/images/G6118TJR_xl.jpg

I love is immensley and have been playing it for the last 3 days straight, what a sound.

I've also had one of these for the last 4 years that I've just beaten the living shit out of but I'll still use it in pretty heavy rotation

http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/lespaul/images/lpshwb.jpg

It's not as faded as the picture makes it appear, it's just worn black, but it's all scraped to shit along the sides. Good guitar though.


I had a Godin too, which I think is somewhere in my house but I haven't played it in a really long time.

[WHITE FALCON]

if its a living end like sound you are after; there isn't too much gain on that sound. From the pickup and tone pots on his guitars in photos he mixes it up between mostly the bridge pickup and both.

only time he flicks it over to neck is when he goes into extended solo in all torn down or like the little crowd sing along part in second solution. also in the jazzy bit from strange. actually strange is a really good example about switching from neck to bridge coz there is a huge difference. so if you wanna listen to the difference just go to the solo in strange.

Just got me one of these last week but without the Bigsby

http://www.gretschguitars.com/repository/gretsch/images/G6118TJR_xl.jpg

I love is immensley and have been playing it for the last 3 days straight, what a sound.

why did you choose the anni jnr? was it something to do with money or something completely different?

[That Canadian Guy]

It was partially money (I got it on eBay for like 1400 Canadian which is about a grand under the list price). Also, I'm a pretty small person (5'5) so I was worried that getting a normal Gretsch would dwarf me, so I went with the Junior cuz I like smaller guitars but wanted a semi-hollow and a Gretsch. I'm happy with my choice though.

[WHITE FALCON]

fuck yeah. it looks awesome. just a little squashed :p

[Julian]

I looked at some acoustics today and was really suprised with a $400 Ibanez. Sounded alot better than the expensive Fenders. Also played some killer Matons, pity I can't really afford one.

[Johnny_Wah]

only time he flicks it over to neck is when he goes into extended solo in all torn down or like the little crowd sing along part in second solution. also in the jazzy bit from strange. actually strange is a really good example about switching from neck to bridge coz there is a huge difference. so if you wanna listen to the difference just go to the solo in strange.

AND the first guitar solo in The Room.

[CHASSIDY:)]

http://media.pixpond.com/u1wy7q.jpg


i got this fender squier for christmas
havent named it yet got any ideas?

[Liz]

That's a nice guitar. :)
I'm currently looking for a good cheap acoustic.

[Julian]

What's your price range Liz?

[Liz]

I'll only go as high as, maybe $300 at the moment.

[Jawn]

I looked at some acoustics today and was really suprised with a $400 Ibanez. Sounded alot better than the expensive Fenders.

If you trust Julian, you could save up a bit more and look into that.

[Julian]

It's not just my opinion really. I've yet to hear a bad review on an acoustic Ibanez. Very nice, warm sound, can plug it in and it's a cutaway design so you won't have trouble getting to the higher frets.
You get mixed resposes with Yamaha's, I actually like them but I think it's a love/hate kind of brand. And Fender, well I don't think they're very renowned for making good acoustics. The ones I played sounded really dull and lifeless. Up to you though. Be sure to look second hand too.

[Liz]

Going to the music shop tomorrow. I'll ask about Ibanez, and have a play of the others.

[Deanis]

I own an acoustic dreadnought Yamaha, great sound on a budget, I got it for $200 second hand and it has a nice warm sound, feels great and plays well.
A 1986 Ibanez Roadstar II with one of those frusrating Floyd Rose floating bridges, sounds good for metal and heavy rock, but I tend to not play either :P
And a G5129 Firebird Gretsch Hollowbody. Awesome guitar, slightly dodgy build quality for the money, but I am very impressed with the sound and playability of this guitar. Bigsby is a treat, and I bought it second hand, so it came with that nice Gretsch hardshell case and upgraded Bigsby from the one that originally came with this guitar.
Planning on getting a White Falcon once the cash comes in :P

[too cool for hyphens ed]

have you heard most of their stuff?

I personally believe that if you don't find something on the Abbey Road album, for example, to blow your head off you mustn't have a head to blow off or something.....

Jawn, i was trawling this thread, and i kept thinking about having my head blown off...


i'm sorry

[damo0945]

haha we just got a new record player (one that works anyway lol) and i found that we have abbey road on vinyl!! anyway, my two cents, havent listened to it much yet

[Julian]

My neighbour lent me his nylon stringed acoustic. A school he worked at or something was gonna chuck it out because there was a crack in it but he fixed it and put a pickguard over where the damage was and it's pretty good. The neck is MASSIVE though.