santa is a jerk

[Kylie eats dugong for tea]

Srsly, fuck that guy in his stupid hairy arse.

But with actual seriousness, why do we invent this hideous creature and lie to children for years?

[Jodez]

Did you just found out something?? hehe

Seriously, i dunno. B/c its fun to lie to kids and tell them that if they dont shut up and behave santa wont come and give them presents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa


Santa Claus is a variation of a Dutch folk tale based on the historical figure Saint Nicholas, a bishop from Myra in Asia Minor (the greater part of modern-day Turkey), who used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. His charity became legend when a man lost his fortune and found himself incapable of supporting his three daughters, who would not be able to find husbands as they lacked dowries. This man was going to give them over to a life of prostitution; however, St Nicholas provided them with gold and cookies, enabling them to retain their virginal virtues and marry.


Sinterklaas in the NetherlandsThis inspired the mythical figure of Sinterklaas, the subject of a major celebration in the Netherlands and Belgium, Germany (where his alleged date of death, December 6, is celebrated the evening before on December 5), which in turn inspired both the myth and the name of Santa Claus. "Santa Claus" is actually a mispronunciation of the Dutch word "Sinterklaas" by the English settlers of New Amsterdam (later renamed New York). Whilst in those countries Saint Nicholas is celebrated as a distinct character with a religious touch separate from Christmas, Santa Claus is also making inroads as a symbol during the Christmas season.

He now forms an important part of the Christmas tradition throughout the Western world and Japan and other parts of East Asia.

Santa Claus is traditionally represented in a red cloak with white fur trimmings, a reference to St Nicholas, who reputably performed his charitable acts dressed in his red bishop's robes.

In many Eastern Orthodox traditions, Santa Claus visits children on New Year's Day and is identified with Saint Basil the Great, Archbishop of Caesarea in Cappadocia, Asia Minor (contemporary Turkey), whose memory is celebrated on that day. According to the Greek tradition, he is supposed to visit children and give presents every January 1. This festival is also marked by the baking of Saint Basil's bread (Gr. Βασιλόπιτα - Vasilópita), a sweetbread with a coin hidden inside.


A Santa Claus doll.Depictions of Santa Claus also have a close relationship with the Russian character of Ded Moroz ("Grandfather Frost"). He delivers presents to children and has a red coat, fur boots and long white beard. Much of the iconography of Santa Claus could be seen to derive from Russian traditions of Ded Moroz, particularly transmitted into western European culture through his German folklore equivalent, Väterchen Frost.

[Sammas]

It probably has a lot to do with the subject of a certian christmas carol


Santa Claus Is Coming To Town

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:

Santa Claus is coming to town!

He's making a list,
He's checking it twice,
He's gonna find out
who's naughty or nice.

Santa Claus is coming to town!

He sees you when you're sleeping,
He knows when you're awake.
He knows when you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

So...You better watch out,
You better not cry
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why.

Santa Claus is coming to town.

Little tin horns,
Little toy drums.
Rudy-toot-toot
and rummy tum tums.

Santa Claus is coming to town.

Little toy dolls
that cuddle and coo,
Elephants, boats
and Kiddie cars too.

Santa Claus is coming to town.

The kids in Girl and Boy Land
will have a jubilee.
They're gonna build a toyland town
all around the Christmas tree.

Oh....You better watch out,
You better not cry.
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why.

Santa Claus is comin'
Santa Claus is comin'
Santa Claus is comin'
To town.

[Kylie eats dugong for tea]

Its mostly because i've been working with santa almost everyday for the past two weeks and I've seen that so many kids hate that guy. I don't know why we would bother with that shit. If I have kids, im definitely not creating a world with santa.

[Jodez]

Its mostly because i've been working with santa almost everyday for the past two weeks and I've seen that so many kids hate that guy. I don't know why we would bother with that shit. If I have kids, im definitely not creating a world with santa.

Did you like Santa?

[Kylie eats dugong for tea]

I dont know.

I hate his stinking guts now though, obviously.

[Mirm]

I love christmas sooo much, and I think I like it MORE since I found out that santa wasn't real. Because, you know, the presents from santa were always lame, and once I found out that it was just my parents, then it seemed to make a little more sense. Like, if you were santa, youd get quality presents for people. But my parents on the other hand, well, lame is their trademark, so I wouldn't hate them for it.
i love buying and making presents, and I love surprises. I hate getting useful presents, I only ever want to get junk. And not even specific junk. I just like crap I dont need, I like novelty shit, and i HATE knowing what I'm getting beforehand.

[Jodez]

yeah kylie i figured, hence i wrote "DID"

I dunno about x mas...that last few years i havent enjoyed it at all, mostly b/c my mums now EX fionce was around and would always ruin my xmas and my whole life.

And when it comes to pressies, man i got bananas in pjs bubble bath when i was 15 from my tight ass aunt (it was half used) and my nan gives me xmas tree decos and stupid random crap like that. i think they still think im like 12 or something. My nan gave me a harry potter clock for my bday last year (my 20th)..i was like oh wow (thinking i HATE harry potter) and when i made out i was interested by going to open it, they were like no no dont, it will be a collectors item bla bla bla. On the upside im gettin my guitar and i got my nan 2 get me 2 the living end cds...

[Kylie eats dugong for tea]

i remember when mirm stuck rockstar matty's head on lollipops...that was the best christmas present i ever had.

[Mirm]

I don't believe you.
I think the best christmas present I ever got was the time my boyfriend was like "oh em gee, we'll go on REAL date and it'll be perfect and you can dress up and we'll have the best time eva!"
That was last year... and I'm still waiting for my date.

[hillaas]

Santa was made by coca-cola in the 50's as an advretising sceme. But this coca-cola santa is said to be father nick (who was the original santa who gave presents to kids in his village in russia) so i'm confused as to where santa actually originated from.
And then there's all that stuff Jodez wrote so i'm confused!

[Kylie eats dugong for tea]

its basically just an evolution of an image and idea. The santa we have to today was based on St nick and all that along with a couple of other historical figures, but it was coke who popularised the image of santa that we see today in monstrosities of shopping centres where some jerk thought it was a good idea to charge 14.95 for a 5 x 7 photograph.

[Bec]

The thought of an old fat guy climbing down your chimney is pretty creepy.

[hillaas]

But you get presents so it's worth the risk.

[Jodez]

Well, i dont have a chimney

[Rosie28]

He flys onto our deck.

I don't see why he cant come through the front door, much easier.

[Kimjar]

Santa lives in Finland. Anyone who says anything different is full of shit.

[luke_the edge_dragons]

why do we invent this hideous creature and lie to children for years?
what? lie? invent? hideous? santa isnt real? OH NO! my world has just come crashing down!!! why would you horrible people tell me such a thing???

[KillingInTheNameOf]

I don't believe you.
I think the best christmas present I ever got was the time my boyfriend was like "oh em gee, we'll go on REAL date and it'll be perfect and you can dress up and we'll have the best time eva!"
That was last year... and I'm still waiting for my date.

Top Bloke

:p

[Kimjar]

Seeee, I'm not lying.

Santa comes from Finland (http://www.santaclauslive.com/main.php?kieli=eng)

And in answer to Kylie's question, I'd be telling my kids that there's this dude called Santa because Jesus being born isn't worthy of a shitload of presents. We've gotta have some kind of reason for giving them presents, so we give all the credit to the fat dude in the red suit coz he's easier for kids to colour in on xmas cards in school than Jesus or mum and dad. And rightly so for non-religious folk like myself. I don't see Jesus flying around in a sleigh dropping presents over, he has nothing to do with Christmas in my family. As far as I'm concerned, it should be called Santasmas. Or Foodmas. Mmmm xmas food.

And that's what really grinds my gears.

[Julian]

Hahaha you gotta love Arj Barker.
'Christmas is like Jesus' birthday right, so we have to give everyone presents? I think theres been a very expensive misunderstanding here'

[cdejonge]

Hahaha you gotta love Arj Barker.
'Christmas is like Jesus' birthday right, so we have to give everyone presents? I think theres been a very expensive misunderstanding here'Don't get Jawn or I started on the religious significance :p

Alf dressed up as Santa on Home and Away the other night. :)

Personally, I hate all the present stuff at Christmas. I just like catching up with people and the food.

[hillaas]

I miss the glass house.

[Kacky]

Santa came to our school the other day for some fund raiser we're going to do...and yeah, he was a little.....weird. :p

[The Dying Start]

The Coca Cola thing needs to be clarified.

The whole Santa/Saint Nick/Father Christmas bollocks was already created well before Coke, but the image of Santa was originally wearing a green suit.

Coke took this popular Christmas icon and gave him a new Coca Cola Red suit and stuck him in a bunch of their adverts. Since Coke became so popular, their personal image of Santa became the popular norm, and poor ol' Green Suit Santa is living in a hole in Finland drinking Pepsi.

[Jake]

Kim, you're right in that he's from Finland. I even met him and sat on his lap. He speaks pretty good English too, with a cute accent :D

Some countries still do celebrate St Nicholas' day - Holland most definitely does. That's when they exchange presents and whatnot, but there is usually something on the 25th too.

I think it's stupid lying to kids all the time about Santa, then the Easter Bunny (who I was also told lived in those clothes donation bins..), and the tooth fairy. I've got a fantastic idea - let's bring up our kids to be honest, and not shatter these illusions when they're at impressionable and delicate ages.

"Yeah Timmy, I know your little girlfriend just dumped you and the boys wouldn't let you play with them today at recess..but guess what, SANTA ISN'T REAL!!'

Bah humbug. And I strained my wrist while carrying a 2m Christmas tree on Saturday, that wasn't fun.

[Neo]

I don't want my kids to grow up with Santa and stuff, like I want them to understand the whole concept of Christmas, but it's everywhere now!! the poor things will be confused about what is real and what isn't.

But when I found out Santa wasn't real, I wasn't all torn up about it, I was amazed :)

[Mirm]

Seeee, I'm not lying.

Santa comes from Finland (http://www.santaclauslive.com/main.php?kieli=eng)

And in answer to Kylie's question, I'd be telling my kids that there's this dude called Santa because Jesus being born isn't worthy of a shitload of presents. We've gotta have some kind of reason for giving them presents, so we give all the credit to the fat dude in the red suit coz he's easier for kids to colour in on xmas cards in school than Jesus or mum and dad. And rightly so for non-religious folk like myself. I don't see Jesus flying around in a sleigh dropping presents over, he has nothing to do with Christmas in my family. As far as I'm concerned, it should be called Santasmas. Or Foodmas. Mmmm xmas food.

And that's what really grinds my gears.


I dunno, you could colour in Jesus pretty good.. stigmata-red, thorn-brown, loincloth-beige. Sweet.

"ralph, jesus did not have wheels."

[Chloe]

"I found a letter I wrote to Santa Claus when I was a little kid that my mom saved. It was kind of cute. I'll read it to you:

"Dear Santa,
I'm not writing this letter to ask you for toys. I know you wont give me any because I'm a Jew. Your apparent lack of compassion to the Jewish community is only a reflection of your racist policy of non-recognition toward the state of Israel. I hope your sled gets clipped by a DC-10, you crash in the Andes Mountains, and you have to eat your reindeer to survive, you fat Nazi bastard.""

-Gregg Rogell

[The Dying Start]

Hahahahahahahaa. Funniest call.

[hillaas]

Bahahaa.

See, St. Nick isn't racist.

http://www.jacobgroep.nl/afbeeldingen/zwarte-piet-1.gif

[Kacky]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/MeOLPLove2/santa_sucks.jpg

[hillaas]

lol

I was just thinking about that one when i read the first one. I love that letter!

[Jawn]

Bahahaa.

See, St. Nick isn't racist.

http://www.jacobgroep.nl/afbeeldingen/zwarte-piet-1.gif

That's black peter. In the dutch, and probably other countries, folklore the bad kids get abducted by him and have to work like slaves or something. I can't remember. Mum told me when I was little.

[The Dying Start]

The bad kids get abducted and sodomized, i'm pretty sure.

[Kylie eats dugong for tea]

that sounds horrible I HATE CHRISTMAS.

[The Dying Start]

Black Peter will rape your butt if you hate Christmas too.

[Kylie eats dugong for tea]

yeah, well pink peter will dress you up in leather and parade you through the mall if your name is glenn thomas.

[Steph Format]

apparently Santa is the former bishop of Turkey, and travels with six to eight black men (http://sunyee151.livejournal.com/356684.html)?

In the early years, if a child was naughty, Saint Nicholas and the six to eight black men would beat him with what Oscar described as "the small branch of a tree."
"A switch?"
"Yes," he said. "That's it. They'd kick him and beat him with a switch. Then, if the youngster was really bad, they'd put him in a sack and take him back to Spain."
"Saint Nicholas would kick you?"
"Well, not anymore," Oscar said. "Now he just pretends to kick you."

[Mirm]

hahahaha, that was so funny.
six to eight, did you say?