Drug Disposal Bin trial at music festivals..

[Colezy]

Thought that this was interesting.. (http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/news/local/17340/Rock-It-Festival-trials-drug-bins.htm)

A drug disposal bin will be placed near the entrance to the Rock-It festival in Joondalup, WA this weekend to tackle the use of illicit drugs at music events.

What do you guys think? Good, bad? Don't care?

I think it's a good idea, especially after the death of the 17 yr old girl form Perth who died at the BDO this year.

Will be interesting to see how much stuff ends up in the bins. I wonder if the results will be released to the public though?

[NowhereTown]

yeah, i think its a good idea aswell.

although i still think that people wont use it because their paranoid cops may follow them etc.

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Is Tasmania 3 months behind everyone else lol?

[Colezy]

I don't see what you're getting at..

[Deadcat Kaye]

Neither....BDO was 2 months ago, thus not having the drug bin thing decided before BDO, meaning it only happened probably just over a month ago..

[Colezy]

And it'll the first time it's been done in Aus...

[KillingInTheNameOf]

I meant it's old news (the amnesty bins)

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,27574,25027164-2761,00.html

[Colezy]

Meh. It's only a month old and the story I linked to was only written today, so too bad :p

Just wanted to know peoples thoughts, that's all :)

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Well my thoughts are it's a waste of money.

[Neo]

I thinmk its retarded. they would have to be guarded to stop scavengers etc. i think people would be put off by that. not only that but who would throw away drugs :laugh: if you are a noob you would do the stupidest thing you can think of in a panic... you wont have time to think oh hey theres a bin i will just casually walk over there and dispose my stuff, if you are anyone else you are either gonna get them in or cop the penalty for getting caught. if you don't want to get caught, dont bring them in the first place cos im pretty sure they made that clear when they started with the sniffer dogs years ago.

[RollOn]

As if anyone would be stupid enough to actually dump their drugs in the bin and as if the police would just be like "oh yeah awesome, thanks for disposing" without trying to ding them for possession.

Whole idea seems flawed to me and if its introduced in Melbourne I am no longer working music festivals. Imagine the bag checks "Any glass, alcohol, umbrellas, weapons or drugs?" "OK just place your drugs in the bin provided, thankyou."

In a way this just encourages people to bring drugs to the event and after working several music festivals I know first hand that many people try whatever they can to bring the drugs in with them.

[Deadcat Kaye]

I personally thing they're just putting the bins there to shut the parents up.

At the end of the day it's not the punters who demand something to be done, it's the old farts and parents of those just turn 15 kids going to their first big festival.

So the coppers and government and whoever else's idea it will point and say "LOOK!!! WE PUT BINS IN SEE, YA SEE IT??**then under their breath** Quit ya bloody complainin'!"

It'll neither deter nor encourage people....it'll all stay the same, people will still try take drugs in, accidently overdose, ruin the festival experience for some kids....
Just to those overprotective parents it looks as though somethings been done.

[RollOn]

Thats pretty much the point I was trying to make Amy. They're not really going to do anything and yet again its just masking the problem by going "look we're doing something" without actually doing anything to solve the problem.

Having said that I doubt that anything will fix the drug problem and 'culture' at festivals.

[Colezy]

At least it's a start though, I guess.

[damo0945]

I reckon it could work... I mean if they just made the hole to put the drugs in smaller than people's hands that'll stop scavengers straight away. And if there's big warning signs saying "Sniffer Dogs Ahead, Dispose of Contraband Now" I reckon people would use them...
They have the same sort of thing at airports, if they work there they'll probably work at a festival...
The only drug related festival death so far this year was because of the authorities trying to minimise the chance of it happening... Seems to me there's something wrong there.

[RollOn]

I'm sorry but why are people blaming one person's stupidity and rash thinking on the authorities? Surely it was her decision in the first place to bring the drugs.

(In reply to Damo, i would quote but it didn't want to.)

*Edit* I just re-read that and it makes me sound extremely insensitive, i'm not saying "hey who cares" more of a "IF she didn't swallow them all" it wouldn't have happened kinda thing and that I think its pretty unfair to solely blame the authorities when all they are trying to do is their job.

[Strider]

Waste of time, waste of money.
This is another case of the media getting wind of something which NEVER happens, and blowing it way out of proportion. If someone is stupid enough to take drugs to a concert, then swallow them in an attempt to 'not get caught'.

To me it's completely illogical. It's like placing 'knife bins' near night clubs so ppl who use them to stab someone can dispose of it just in case they get caught.

[Neo]

I don't think it would encourage it, cos people pay good money for their drugs... why would they bring them just to throw away. they are either gonna take it in and risk getting caught, or save them for another day, or if they are inexperienced they will probably panic and not know what to do like that girl.

but I don't disagree with the idea. there's no harm in trying right :p I think its retarded though

[RollOn]

No harm in trying I guess but the idea is still fundamentally flawed. People are totally just gonna walk in and be all "Oh shit, forgot about these *drops in bin* thanks for that"

[KillingInTheNameOf]

I reckon it could work... I mean if they just made the hole to put the drugs in smaller than people's hands that'll stop scavengers straight away. And if there's big warning signs saying "Sniffer Dogs Ahead, Dispose of Contraband Now" I reckon people would use them...
They have the same sort of thing at airports, if they work there they'll probably work at a festival...
The only drug related festival death so far this year was because of the authorities trying to minimise the chance of it happening... Seems to me there's something wrong there.

I really don't think that's how people who take drugs think.

[Deadcat Kaye]

No harm in trying I guess but the idea is still fundamentally flawed. People are totally just gonna walk in and be all "Oh shit, forgot about these *drops in bin* thanks for that"

Wait...so which is it, you hate the idea or not??

Coz first your said you think it's stupid, and now you're saying it could be good. :blink:

[RollOn]

I really don't think that's how people who take drugs think.

You mean they actually think?

In my experiences with work i'd say that they clearly don't think which is why so many O.D and 'panic.'

[RollOn]

Wait...so which is it, you hate the idea or not??

Coz first your said you think it's stupid, and now you're saying it could be good. :blink:

No, thats not what I said at all. You should have noted the sarcasm at the end too.
I said its worth a try yet still fundamentally flawed. As in, good on them for trying something but it still won't work.

[Lainey]

It's stupid. If you had enough bloody sense to begin with, you would leave all that shit at home...HOWEVER if the penalties for having illicit drugs on your person are made a hell of a lot tougher as a result of this then it is a good idea :)

[damo0945]

I'm sorry but why are people blaming one person's stupidity and rash thinking on the authorities? Surely it was her decision in the first place to bring the drugs.

Well yeah but if noone was going to fine her/send her to jail (I don't know the penalties) she almost certainly wouldn't be dead now.

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Well if murder wasn't legal there'd be no murderers in jail :rolleyes:

[white_noise]

lol I shotgun job of taking bin away for "safe disposal"

[RollOn]

Well yeah but if noone was going to fine her/send her to jail (I don't know the penalties) she almost certainly wouldn't be dead now.

She was obviously still planning on taking them, therefore putting her life at risk anyway.
It almost surely wouldn't have happened had she not bought them.

[RollOn]

lol I shotgun job of taking bin away for "safe disposal"

You would.

And Grumma, thats probably the smartest thing i've heard you say.

[damo0945]

I don't get what grumma said... Murder isn't legal... Oh I get it, you fucked it up, still what does it have to do with this?

[Burner]

Awesome, somewhere to put my plastic ziplock bags after i've dropped. Or even my my butts after the laced cigga i just smoked.

[Kacky]

I could care less about the marijuana part, just those really messed up ones.

[KillingInTheNameOf]

I don't get what grumma said... Murder isn't legal... Oh I get it, you fucked it up, still what does it have to do with this?

Yeah, should've been "if murder wasn't illegal"

And the point is, if you're doing something illegal odds are you know of the consequences, so to blame a law for you breaking it is rediculous.

[damo0945]

I never blamed the law... I blamed how it was enforced

[KillingInTheNameOf]

So you're saying we shouldn't enforce the law?

:blink:

[damo0945]

No, just not in a way that's going to kill people ;)

[KillingInTheNameOf]

So if a cop knocks on my door so he can arrest me for murder and I neck myself to avoid being caught, does that mean the coppers should stop trying to arrest murderers in an orderly fashion?

[Neo]

Grumma wins

[damo0945]

So if a cop knocks on my door so he can arrest me for murder and I neck myself to avoid being caught, does that mean the coppers should stop trying to arrest murderers in an orderly fashion?

It's really not related...
She didn't intend to kill herself, I'll admit it was pretty stupid to swallow however many pills it was. And it's not entirely the authorities' fault that she did that, but if say she was randomly searched later in the day or something without a chance to do anything about it it would've been a better way...
I may have gone back on my argument a touch there because I kind of see what you're saying, but there must be better ways of going about it.

We cool to stop arguing now? I see your point

[Neo]

oh now I wanna add something :laugh:

what if the murderer was in a high speed police chase and accidentally ran off the road and died that way? no intention of dying there :p

[damo0945]

See that's a similar thing :)
Irresponsible method results in an accidental death. Probably more obvious than the drug one.
They do try and avoid high speed chases these days don't they?

[KillingInTheNameOf]

It's over a certain speed (something like 140). All depends on traffic conditions of course.

I really don't feel sorry for that girl at all. If anything they should include her in the dictionary under "natural selection"